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Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by tayo42 »

marcinzm wrote: post #43
tayo42 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to the moon again is pushing the world forward? Why? Humans got there and there's been no reason to go back

These companies aren't going to the moon, the US government is going to the moon using these companies. These companies are significantly lowering the cost of going into space and eventually going to Mars. That is moving the world forward.

So nasa wants to go, they're driving the innovation.

> SpaceX CEO Elon Musk responded to the GAO decision on Twitter with a flexed-biceps emoji.

This sounds like billionaires and their egos fighting with each other. Not really trying to make the world better

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by starik36 »

Retric wrote: post #33
paxys wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything SpaceX is successfully launching today was similarly delayed during development. It's too early to write off Blue Origin, especially since Bezos just got involved in it full time.

Blue Origin was founded in 2000, SpaceX 2002. SpaceX achieved orbit in 2008. Blue Origin is still sub orbital yet planning on a moon mission. At this point Bezos might be better off starting over with a new team.

They have some achievements to show. New Shepard was the first to land vertically. That's not nothing.

BE-4 has been delayed, true, but if it were looking like a failure, ULA would have dropped them a long time ago.

I think 2022 will clear up lots of things for everyone. SLS, BE-4, New Glenn, etc... Till then there is no sense of dooming anything.

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by oh_sigh »

krapp wrote: post #10
pmoriarty wrote: post #7

Why can't they cooperate instead of compete? It's not like they don't already have all the money they'd ever need or could use, and wouldn't the world be better off if they worked together than against each other?

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Do you think bezos was a psychopath in 1999?

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by tigershark »

paxys wrote: post #25
FreakyT wrote: post #3

It's really a shame what has happened to Blue Origin. They've gone from a promising space startup to yet another purveyor of perpetual vaporware. Where is the BE-4 engine? Delayed, again and again. New Glenn, the rocket that could actually go into orbit? Same. So far their only functioning hardware (New Shephard) is, in effect, a glorified amusement park ride. Considering that SpaceX has actually made it to orbit mul…

Everything SpaceX is successfully launching today was similarly delayed during development. It's too early to write off Blue Origin, especially since Bezos just got involved in it full time.

No, it wasn’t. Blue origin was founded two years before SpaceX. SpaceX in the meantime managed to create the first ever reusable commercial rocket, the first ever reusable heavy launch vehicle. The first ever commercial manned flight for the ISS. And it’s well on track to perform an orbital test in the next month or two with a fully reusable rocket that is using a full flow engine. Seriously, you are trying to compare an Australopithecus climbing a tree with an Homo sapiens building nuclear weapons.

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by inglor_cz »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #5
FreakyT wrote: post #3

It's really a shame what has happened to Blue Origin. They've gone from a promising space startup to yet another purveyor of perpetual vaporware. Where is the BE-4 engine? Delayed, again and again. New Glenn, the rocket that could actually go into orbit? Same. So far their only functioning hardware (New Shephard) is, in effect, a glorified amusement park ride. Considering that SpaceX has actually made it to orbit mul…

Slow and steady wins the race. I'm not counting them out, Bezos is so immensely wealthy that if he wants Blue Origin to succeed then it will succeed.

This is not really a race, as it does not have a well-defined endpoint. Reaching the orbit is just a starting step for some other activity and former champions may fall by the wayside as decades go by.

Soviets were once in the lead very clearly, Roskosmos lost that edge a long time ago.

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by archsurface »

paxys wrote: post #25
FreakyT wrote: post #3

It's really a shame what has happened to Blue Origin. They've gone from a promising space startup to yet another purveyor of perpetual vaporware. Where is the BE-4 engine? Delayed, again and again. New Glenn, the rocket that could actually go into orbit? Same. So far their only functioning hardware (New Shephard) is, in effect, a glorified amusement park ride. Considering that SpaceX has actually made it to orbit mul…

Everything SpaceX is successfully launching today was similarly delayed during development. It's too early to write off Blue Origin, especially since Bezos just got involved in it full time.

Similarly delayed? The delays are different by over a decade. Spacex was attempting orbit in 2006. When will blue origin? 2026?

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by medstrom »

jhgb wrote: post #42
tayo42 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to the moon again is pushing the world forward? Why? Humans got there and there's been no reason to go back

"Why? Humans got there and there's been no reason to go back" -- Europeans in 1493 about the Americas...not!

They might have said it if the Americas had even worse living conditions than Antarctica. We're not colonizing that either.

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by craftinator »

mastrsushi wrote: post #39
Retric wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blue Origin was founded in 2000, SpaceX 2002. SpaceX achieved orbit in 2008. Blue Origin is still sub orbital yet planning on a moon mission. At this point Bezos might be better off starting over with a new team.

You sound like a Sunday golf narrator.

Ah, the context-unaware personal snipe. These flagrant and pouty birds spend their days sqawking at other random birds in an effort to achieve some kind of short lived feeling of superiority. They often go after other birds with no regard to the situation at hand, which causes their actions to look exceedingly stupid to the casual birdwatcher. This behavior is where they get their name, as their actions are "context-unaware", and makes them very easy to spot.

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by systemvoltage »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #12

Blue Origin makes Bezos look like a sad little boy that wants to fit in with he big boys but fails miserably. BO feels like a cheap SpaceX knock-off. His ride over the Karman line (which they tried to point out as the border to to space so bad on their channels) really convinced me of that. Bezos lacks a vision for space, it's just a hobby for him and he fails at executing the Amazon playbook there.

Just keep in mind that there are regular engineers like any of us working at Blue Origin and giving their best to achieve something, make a living and tackle really hard problems.

Some viewpoints expressed on HN feel like social media fed hatred, people often forget that there is a massive army of brilliant people doing stuff that most engineers would dream of. There are Facebook/Google engineers working on advertisement tech and we generally don't scorn at them. Adtech is far more "uncool" than space exploration.

I say kudos to Blue Origin to lift a building sized socket up to space with humans in it.

Re: Jeff Bezos loses attempt to block the Moon-landing contract NASA gave to SpaceX

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Post by mastrsushi »

craftinator wrote: post #58
mastrsushi wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sound like a Sunday golf narrator.

Ah, the context-unaware personal snipe. These flagrant and pouty birds spend their days sqawking at other random birds in an effort to achieve some kind of short lived feeling of superiority. They often go after other birds with no regard to the situation at hand, which causes their actions to look exceedingly stupid to the casual birdwatcher. This behavior is where they get their name, as their actions are "context-…

>They often go after other birds with no regard to the situation at hand, which causes their actions to look exceedingly stupid to the casual birdwatcher

...Yeah not sure you landed that one too smoothly. It's healthy to get out more you know?

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