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We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#11
The bit about the Zeigarnik effect was interesting, I didn't know about it but it does make sense and matches my experience.

But the reason tasks aren't done frequently usually has nothing to do with how the to-do list is organised, and I'm not sure why the app creators from the beginning of the article were surprised about their checklist not being more effective than any other method. It still doesn't mean it was useless.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely this. Todo lists are a great way to go through processes, but a terrible way to plan a day's or month's activity.

What is a better way you've found?

Time blocking is one. If one doesn’t structure time and context, then todo items can’t get done.

Edit:

Here’s one implementation by Nir Eyal, author of “Hooked” and Indistractable”:

https://www.nirandfar.com/schedule-maker/

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Precisely this. Todo lists are a great way to go through processes, but a terrible way to plan a day's or month's activity.

What is a better way you've found?

I mean, I do have a backlog list, and it is prioritized, but my day-to-day follows a process not a todo list. I keep a daily checklist of priority things to fit in:

Speak politely, two morning chores, answer all messages from my group, workout, read, tinker with something, no coffee (I'm quitting), no drinks (I'm cutting down), meditate, go outside, update the finances, write in my journal.

Each of those is about a 5 minute task or a daily reminder. Read and Tinker often lead to hours-long focus sessions. The key is to show up every day and remove barriers to getting started.

If you want to call that a todo list, that's ok, but I call it a process-oriented checklist because of the way I use it.

I used to be better about keeping a monthly checklist too, but pandemic has removed most the list.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#14
I'm always curious how others "work." I use the Pomodoro technique myself, where I do a minimum of 8 sessions per workday. I try to do 10, but usually, I'm somewhere in between. I do not count meetings.

Every day at work, I show up and do a minimum of 4 straight hours of concentrated and focused work.

I often get told things like: "I'm killing it", "I'm a high producer", etc.

To me, I feel like I'm cheating the system, and I work too little.

What do other people do?

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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I swear by The Checklist Manifesto[0] However, it's worth noting that just because you didn't do that one thing on your list, it doesn't mean you're a failure in life. A checklist is just a rough guide. You can always delegate or delay the more trickier tasks too. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Checklist_Manifesto

Adam Savage uses checklists as a motivational tool. Something satisfying about marking things as done. On paper, esp. I could only find this -- with a link to another wired article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20263850

Yep! I use RememberTheMilk, and while I still have tasks that are years old, I find it generally helpful. I like the confidence of being able to mentally unburden myself of remembering things (even if I usually still do) and sometimes find myself creating tasks just to check them off, because I've done them but hadn't added them to the list-- why not feel good about your accomplishments?

The reality is, many tasks, people simply don't want to do!

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is a better way you've found?

I mean, I do have a backlog list, and it is prioritized, but my day-to-day follows a process not a todo list. I keep a daily checklist of priority things to fit in: Speak politely, two morning chores, answer all messages from my group, workout, read, tinker with something, no coffee (I'm quitting), no drinks (I'm cutting down), meditate, go outside, update the finances, write in my journal. Each of those is about a 5…

That sounds semi-similar to the “Seinfeld System,” a method that highlights daily streaks.

https://jamesclear.com/stop-procrastinating-seinfeld-strateg...

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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I'm always curious how others "work." I use the Pomodoro technique myself, where I do a minimum of 8 sessions per workday. I try to do 10, but usually, I'm somewhere in between. I do not count meetings. Every day at work, I show up and do a minimum of 4 straight hours of concentrated and focused work. I often get told things like: "I'm killing it", "I'm a high producer", etc. To me, I feel like I'm cheating the syste…

During school I'd immedietly do all of my assignments. Id spend anywhere from 2 to 6 straight hours getting the entire week of assignments done. By the time I got tired I was done with most of it and had time to do what I wanted. Worked wonders, while everyone else was struggling I was able to get straight A's and work on side projects/video games.

Is the "real" world supposed to be different than this experience?

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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I'm always curious how others "work." I use the Pomodoro technique myself, where I do a minimum of 8 sessions per workday. I try to do 10, but usually, I'm somewhere in between. I do not count meetings. Every day at work, I show up and do a minimum of 4 straight hours of concentrated and focused work. I often get told things like: "I'm killing it", "I'm a high producer", etc. To me, I feel like I'm cheating the syste…

I use a similar technique, combined with meticulous time tracking of every and any minute I spend professionally. As somebody who is self-employed, I quickly realized that working 8+ hours per day is an absolute myth. I count any day where I spent more than 4 hours in a state of focused work as a great day, and weeks where I spend more than 20 hours a week are rare. My personal goal has shifted from trying to work as many hours as possible to compressing these 4 productive hours into the smallest time window possible. Arriving at 10am at work, and leaving at 5pm is close to the optimum in my experience, due to coffee breaks, lunch, and the occasional goofing off on HN.

So no, you're not cheating the system, you are probably running at optimum efficiency. The efficiency of the average employee in terms of productive hours per day spent in chair is ridiculously low.

As a side note: I'm very much wondering whether I should insist on 40 hour work weeks when I get to the point of hiring people. I know there is a movement going for the 4-day workweek, but I personally see more in a 6 hour work day.

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

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I'm always curious how others "work." I use the Pomodoro technique myself, where I do a minimum of 8 sessions per workday. I try to do 10, but usually, I'm somewhere in between. I do not count meetings. Every day at work, I show up and do a minimum of 4 straight hours of concentrated and focused work. I often get told things like: "I'm killing it", "I'm a high producer", etc. To me, I feel like I'm cheating the syste…

What values do you use for each pomodoro, short break and long break? Also, do you estimate your tasks into how many pomodoros will take?

Re: We Still Don’t Get Things Done

#20

I'm always curious how others "work." I use the Pomodoro technique myself, where I do a minimum of 8 sessions per workday. I try to do 10, but usually, I'm somewhere in between. I do not count meetings. Every day at work, I show up and do a minimum of 4 straight hours of concentrated and focused work. I often get told things like: "I'm killing it", "I'm a high producer", etc. To me, I feel like I'm cheating the syste…

Someone like me!

I’ve been doing the exact same thing for about a year now. My quality of work is up, and so is my salary. I have more time for family and hobbies.

Whenever I’m stuck on a problem and my four hours are up, I right down my thoughts and the next morning I find the solution quickly.

Either you and I are special, hyperproductive but easily exhausted workers, or everyone else is just pretending to work twice as long.

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