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Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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post #133

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> because of how aggressively it tries to use synonyms That's a double edged sword. One of the main reasons regular people fail to find stuff on Google, or at least failed in the past, was that you'd need to be a walking thesaurus to do it effectively (which techies generally are, for example). They needed to help the less educated, too.

Does it help the less educated to flat out ignore exclusion terms that are _explicitly_ provided?

Thank you. The rebuttals were good but fail to address this main point. Which was explicitly stated.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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Yep; I can’t believe what used to be bar-none the most useful set of search results will now seemingly scatter results into the list that have zero matches for my search term, as well as some with boldfaced words that I did not even type. And also, for some reason the “zero-click results” stuff really bothers me. I don’t want some crappy AI summary of a Wikipedia page, I want the Wikipedia link first , for example. I…

It's possible in Chrome and Firefox (and I assume other browsers, though can't say for sure) to add search shortcuts for other websites. If I know I want the wikipedia link, rather than searching google for the thing, I type "wp ", and it takes me either directly to the wikipedia page, or to the search results. I think the default is the domain followed by a space, so "wikipedia.org ", but that can be changed.

For whatever reason, this feature is not actively promoted in Firefox (or Chrome). If you add a bookmark in Firefox, one of the fields that shows up is "Tags" which is sort of uninteresting. Then you have to go into your Bookmarks toolbar and find the bookmark you added to get to keywords so you can add a shortcut (my Wikipedia shortcut is just `w`). Then of course switch your search term with %s if you have a search shortcut vs just a shortcut to a particular page.

Chrome has an even more complicated way to hide this, although I don't regularly use it so I don't remember what the process was.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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post #223

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I'm somewhat sympathetic to this but Google is an enormously profitable company which also is a world-leader in software development and ML, which you would not know from looking at search results. It also seems relevant that Google has actively removed features like the ability to report SEO spam or block domains — if they cared about the user experience, you'd think there'd be an easy menu with advanced 1990s techn…

I wish there were a way to tell Google that I never, EVER want to see an image result from pinterest.

You may not be able to tell Google directly, but uBlacklist works reasonably well and has regular expression support so you can block all TLDs. I added

/pinterest\..*/

and here's the (lack of) results when I google image search "pinterest fish": https://i.imgur.com/pMQ2JQK.png

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublacklist/

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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It's possible in Chrome and Firefox (and I assume other browsers, though can't say for sure) to add search shortcuts for other websites. If I know I want the wikipedia link, rather than searching google for the thing, I type "wp ", and it takes me either directly to the wikipedia page, or to the search results. I think the default is the domain followed by a space, so "wikipedia.org ", but that can be changed.

For whatever reason, this feature is not actively promoted in Firefox (or Chrome). If you add a bookmark in Firefox, one of the fields that shows up is "Tags" which is sort of uninteresting. Then you have to go into your Bookmarks toolbar and find the bookmark you added to get to keywords so you can add a shortcut (my Wikipedia shortcut is just `w`). Then of course switch your search term with %s if you have a search…

I agree that Firefox's method is a bit unintuitive, but Chrome's is dead simple. Settings > Manage Search Engines, and then just modify the ones it probably added automatically to have useful keywords.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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Listicles have gotten on my nerves, I googled 'how to remove listicles from search results' and got, yes, 2 listicles in the SERP. I tinkered with ddgr[1] and jq for removing listicles with some success, if someone wants to pick up where I left off:

`ddgr --expand --noprompt --json 'best bicycles under 500' | jq --raw-output '.[] | select(.title | test("^(?!\\d.$)."))' | jq --raw-output '. | [.title, .url]| @tsv'`

[1] https://github.com/jarun/ddgr

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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post #33

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Reddit is always going to be better. Niche subs are where actual experts who've tried entire ranges of products hang out, amazon is where one random guy bought their first crappy product and left a 5 star review because they don't actually know whether what they bought is good or not.

Or even worse, leaving a 5 star review because it is what they ordered but they haven't actually used it because it's a present for their nephew...

More likely leaving a 5 star review because they are working for the manufacturer, or left a 1 star review because they are working for the manufacturer of a similar but different product.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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post #191

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Whenever DDG is mentioned, these "but it uses Bing" comments always pop up. Sure maybe somebody is in the lucky 10k with TIL moment, however these "but it uses Bing" comments leave out the fact that Bing doesn't know you made the search. That's kind of the point in DDG is to be able to search the web anonymously. I don't know the intent of the "but it uses Bing" posts to just be "in case you didn't know" or "it's lam…

It’s mentioned because Bing isn’t very good so you shouldn’t expect any different with DDG. Also every time this comment is posted, someone tries to argue that it doesn’t come from Bing despite zero evidence so it’s a TIL for more than you think.

DDG is cool with the kids today, Bing is not, all matter of fashion.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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post #191

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It’s mentioned because Bing isn’t very good so you shouldn’t expect any different with DDG. Also every time this comment is posted, someone tries to argue that it doesn’t come from Bing despite zero evidence so it’s a TIL for more than you think.

are people using DDG using it just because it's not Bing and/or G? I thought the whole premise of DDG was providing the ability to search anonymously by "proxying" your search to a different search engine altogther. I was aware of the switch away from G to Bing, and I was okay with that as now G no longer gets any search data from me even if it was made anon by DDG.

then use startpage, it takes its results from google
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