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Post by CRConrad »

tekknik wrote: post #545
cududa wrote: post #266

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I’m sorry but my profession is vaccine hesitancy and persuasion researcher and OP is just wrong. I have n=20,000 polls showing people get disinformation from Facebook that informs their decision to not get vaccinated and hours of focus group recordings also showing this.

What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook. Also while we're here, if you are what you say you are, add the military forcing vaccinations, people witnessing side effects while being forced to continue duty, and the network effects this has on them and their friends / family after leaving the service. Look at how many people try to go the route of…

> What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook.

No, but many (most?) people are. So many of "those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant" may well have gotten much of their hesitancy from people who are on Facebook and got much of it from there.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by exikyut »

Dove wrote: post #568
rtpg wrote: post #463

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They chose to do algorithmic timelines. They could do a chronological timeline. They could choose to not do any editorializing. They chose instead to get into the content promotion business. Their active choices lead to this result

It's a much bigger problem than than merely content promotion and aggregation. There are countries where Facebook is the entire internet. Maybe they tried to make it happen and maybe they didn't - but however it happened, they are effectively the Ministry of Information now for that country. They probably shouldn't be. Everyone agrees on this, even them. But like the child-kings of history, it is still the situation.…

Regarding the Ministry of Information concept, I recently realized that one potential motivation for the large-scale end-to-end encryption agenda is to move the "keys to the kingdom" for the world's trillions of chat messages (and attached media) to end-user devices, *and* loudly signal that this shift has taken place by taking advantage of the very loud minority of security-conscious folks that implicitly trust and signal-boost E2E everywhere they find it. My theory for why this may have become existentially necessary was exactly the sort of "get it off me!" ideology you describe, except from the perspective of protecting from coordinated attacks by multiple cooperating nation states. Of course, all this now means general interest in pwning all smartphones everywhere is now that much higher :(. (Medium-size wall of text version at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25522220, also referenced in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27841760.)

Regarding perspective mismatches because Facebook "still thinks it's a web site", thought-experiment nitpick: do Facebook really believe this, or is their problem a) that they are expected to behave as a website by the very same governments they're (optimistically) trying to support, and/or b) that they're afraid to stand up and behave how everyone's pining for them to do because doing so would "rock the boat", so to speak, and trip all over large swathes of plausible deniability that are still comfortably nestled in shadows and grey areas?

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by tekknik »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #566
tekknik wrote: post #548

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> Of course this argument completely falls apart when you know how vaccine development works, but it's an argument that genuinely only applies to this specific group of vaccines. So if this is true then there should be no testing period right? We should know out the gate if a vaccine is safe or not right? Clearly this is incorrect. If you like testing vaccines, join the military. Then let’s see after you’re injected…

We're already past the testing period. The phase 3 trials of multiple vaccines are concluded and analyzed. The issue isn't people that didn't want early untested vaccines, it's people that ignore the test results to continue to not want them. Hopefully full FDA approval helps, as the process gets through the bureaucracy.

> We're already past the testing period. The phase 3 trials of multiple vaccines are concluded and analyzed.

From the FAQ on the Pfizer vax:

"The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is an unapproved vaccine..."

"The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has not undergone the same type of review as an FDA-approved or cleared product. FDA may issue an EUA when certain criteria are met, which includes that there are no adequate, approved, available alternatives. In addition, the FDA decision is based on the totality of scientific evidence available showing that the product may be effective to prevent COVID-19 during the COVID-19 pandemic and that the known and potential benefits of the product outweigh the known and potential risks of the product...."

Not to mention this trial period along with vaccine development was accelerated.

Also, from actual mouths of those hesitant, the reason is mostly gov mistrust. Which is yet again another problem of this divide dems have been building.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by tekknik »

CRConrad wrote: post #611
tekknik wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook. Also while we're here, if you are what you say you are, add the military forcing vaccinations, people witnessing side effects while being forced to continue duty, and the network effects this has on them and their friends / family after leaving the service. Look at how many people try to go the route of…

> What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook. No, but many (most?) people are. So many of "those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant" may well have gotten much of their hesitancy from people who are on Facebook and got much of it from there.

Actually most people aren't. There's like 8 billion people in the world and 2-3 billion people on FB. That means those on FB are a minority.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by tekknik »

cududa wrote: post #567
tekknik wrote: post #545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook. Also while we're here, if you are what you say you are, add the military forcing vaccinations, people witnessing side effects while being forced to continue duty, and the network effects this has on them and their friends / family after leaving the service. Look at how many people try to go the route of…

You can generally trace it back to someone they know on Facebook or Tucker Carlson. I’d say the side effects are real and they should be given adequate rest to recover.

You can generally trace it back to someone they know on Facebook or Tucker Carlson. Dems would serve themselves better by not trying to point fingers on where to aim the ban cannon. This is only going to cause more mistrust.

Actually visit the areas with hesitancy, then come back and see if you say the same. I know some 100 people that are hesitant. Not a one of them are on FB, nor listen to anything FOX puts out. It's gov mistrust fueling it. Not Tucker Carlson. That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by tekknik »

jonwithoutanh wrote: post #596
tekknik wrote: post #545

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What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook. Also while we're here, if you are what you say you are, add the military forcing vaccinations, people witnessing side effects while being forced to continue duty, and the network effects this has on them and their friends / family after leaving the service. Look at how many people try to go the route of…

I joined the Canadian military 9 years ago. Vaccinations were forced and not optional during TRAINING, let alone after you accept your commission. When you join you know what you signed up for, you don't get the right to fuck over your unit because you are a dumb ass, too bad so sad.

Nobody's suggesting military members have an option for vax, but are you denying the network effects this can have? In the US veterans make up some 7% of the population. Expand that from their network effects and we get closer to the 40% or so that are hesitant. Clearly not all military members and veterans are hesitant so this is nothing more than an estimate than anything. But it still holds, you see your friend get the shot then have a bad reaction and ultimately leaves deployment because of it then it stays with you. You see it 2 times, and you're ready to swear off most vaccines.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by tekknik »

nradov wrote: post #576
tekknik wrote: post #543

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Are you really attempting to justify censorship to keep porn off of the site? We’ve had algorithms for years now that can detect nudity. It’s a simple filter that can be added that allows the user to select if they want to see it or not. Much like DDG and Google image search.

There's a difference between nudity and porn. Facebook banned the famous "Napalm Girl" photo, and then later un-banned it. Rules appear to be arbitrary and constantly changing. https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/09/10/49...

Yea child nudity is going to be a difficult one for all algorithms as they lack context. The only reason that picture is allowed is because of the context. If it were a random naked child in a field it would and should be banned.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by detaro »

nafix wrote: post #141
detaro wrote: post #115

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... they won't, that desinformation is exactly the point of the comment you are replying to.

Are you sure about that? Can you explain to me what the wording from the CDC announcement means?

Which wording? The one quoted above? That means "if you are switching tests anyways, consider using one that does multiple things so you don't waste (somewhat) scarce and expensive testing capacity on double-testing"

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by CRConrad »

tekknik wrote: post #614
CRConrad wrote: post #611

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What about those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant? Not everybody is on Facebook. No, but many (most?) people are. So many of "those who have never stepped foot on the platform yet are still hesitant" may well have gotten much of their hesitancy from people who are on Facebook and got much of it from there.

Actually most people aren't. There's like 8 billion people in the world and 2-3 billion people on FB. That means those on FB are a minority.

True, thanks for the perspective.

Then again, among this crowd here... I think most people I know are. You?

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by jkestner »

tekknik wrote: post #615
cududa wrote: post #567

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can generally trace it back to someone they know on Facebook or Tucker Carlson. I’d say the side effects are real and they should be given adequate rest to recover.

You can generally trace it back to someone they know on Facebook or Tucker Carlson. Dems would serve themselves better by not trying to point fingers on where to aim the ban cannon. This is only going to cause more mistrust. Actually visit the areas with hesitancy, then come back and see if you say the same. I know some 100 people that are hesitant. Not a one of them are on FB, nor listen to anything FOX puts out. It…

What actions caused their mistrust of the government? Where did they learn about these actions?
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