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AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by edmundsauto »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

I’m not sure if adboys includes FAANGs, but mqny of those companies have spent billions of dollars to do just what you said.

There is an argument they weren’t as effective as they could have been. Is that what you mean?

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by snovv_crash »

parineum wrote: post #75
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

I've been telling people that the way to get people to take the vaccine would be to give Trump credit for operation lightspeed (which I think he deserves but that's irrelevant) and start referring to the vaccine as Trump's Vaccine. I'm okay with handing Trump a win if it can help save lives and end this pandemic.

The vast majority of anti-vaxxers I know are more on the Green side. The Trump supporters got the vaccine as soon as they could.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by Leparamour »

29athrowaway wrote: post #72

Superspreaders do not care about compliance or COVID prevention tools. Superspreaders (antimaskers, antilockdown, antidistancing, antivaxxers) are the people keeping COVID alive.

>Superspreaders (antimaskers, antilockdown, antidistancing, antivaxxers) are the people keeping COVID alive.

It's not as black and white as you try to paint it.

I'm not living in the US but I've encountered a sizable number of people who dropped all caution and safety measures as soon as they got vaccinated even though they still can catch the virus and spread the virus with the added bonus of favoring the formation of immune escaping mutations.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by imnotlost »

azinman2 wrote: post #78
parineum wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been telling people that the way to get people to take the vaccine would be to give Trump credit for operation lightspeed (which I think he deserves but that's irrelevant) and start referring to the vaccine as Trump's Vaccine. I'm okay with handing Trump a win if it can help save lives and end this pandemic.

Totally agree. I’ve been thinking the same, and it’s odd to me that he didn’t go that route to begin with. You’d think he’d be all over it.

Once he realizes he actually lost the election and that the Trump insurrection failed he can move on to other important matters such as public health.

Maybe a Trump branded vaccine can be sold at a premium. Throw in a Trump Steak and a Trump Uni Diploma with it to bring people in?

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by Jweb_Guru »

trhway wrote: post #68
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

>to educate the ignorant populace ok, lets educate. And before educating others lets educate ourselves. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of... "About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC. The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that f…

What's neglected in that article is that essentially the whole town is vaccinated:

https://www.masslive.com/capecod/2021/07/how-provincetown-ac...

Despite virtually everyone in the town being vaccinated, 25% of the cases in the outbreak were in the remaining handful of unvaccinated people! As more areas reach close to 100% vaccination, we will start to see weird quirks of statistics like this more often, but if your takeaway here is that it's really easy for vaccinated people to catch and spread COVID, you're very wrong. Breakthrough infections are prevented by vaccines like Pfizer with about 99% efficacy, and without a breakthrough infection there is no transmission. If pretty much everyone were vaccinated, the odds of transmission would go to zero very rapidly.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by trhway »

Jweb_Guru wrote: post #85
trhway wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>to educate the ignorant populace ok, lets educate. And before educating others lets educate ourselves. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of... "About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC. The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that f…

What's neglected in that article is that essentially the whole town is vaccinated: https://www.masslive.com/capecod/2021/07/how-provincetown-ac... Despite virtually everyone in the town being vaccinated, 25% of the cases in the outbreak were in the remaining handful of unvaccinated people! As more areas reach close to 100% vaccination, we will start to see weird quirks of statistics like this more often, but if your…

>What's neglected in that article is that essentially the whole town is vaccinated:

i don't think it was neglected, as it is more like obvious thing wasn't explicitly stated - as vaccine obviously not increasing infection chances, 3/4 of infected being vaccinated means that vaccination rate >= 3/4, and that pretty much means "essentially the whole town is vaccinated"

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by Jweb_Guru »

Grimm1 wrote: post #30
mattnewport wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am reasonably confident that there is a group out there that was more careful and has something that might have been useful What is that confidence based on? It seems like the researchers here made a reasonably thorough effort to find "something that might have been useful" and only turned up two that were even worth further investigation: "She and her colleagues have looked at 232 algorithms for diagnosing patie…

Why not? Plenty of researchers aren’t thorough. I’m not saying that’s the case here but it’s entirely plausible from what I know about academia and wouldn’t be a crazy claim to make.

If a model did particularly well while almost every other model did badly, it would have gained attention in the community (not to mention, the researchers who worked on it would be actively marketing this!). Even if the researchers who worked on the paper weren't aware of it, it would almost certainly be brought up during peer review. The only way that such a model would not end up on such an extensive list is deliberate omission, not lack of rigor.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by oezi »

trhway wrote: post #68
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

>to educate the ignorant populace ok, lets educate. And before educating others lets educate ourselves. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of... "About three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts Covid-19 outbreak were fully vaccinated, according to new data published Friday by the CDC. The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that f…

I guess you are trolling. And is really sad that such an one-sided argument as yours even exists.

First, you are missing that this is a Delta out-break. Delta has been found to be able to evade the vaccines more than other variants. This is something new and something we didn't know just 2-3 months ago.

Next, without stating how many percent of the population where vaccinated in MA what does three-fourths imply?

Governments world-wide are struggling with how to respond to Delta. Because it is more contagious and even for vaccinated people there is a risk of hospitalizations, there is a struggle what to do. Lift all restrictions (as England has done)? Stay rather strict (as in France/Germany where there are still public mask mandates)?

The reality is that there is no playbook.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by beerandt »

gumby wrote: post #55
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, back when Harris and Biden both said they were hesitant to get a vaccine produced under Trump, they kinda set the stage for the dumpster fire we have today.

I was unable to find an article about either of them saying this (and I think I would have seen it). Biden was an early adopter, back in December.

That's evidence of media bias, not evidence that it wasn't said.

ETA: Here's Jezebel's pre election coverage of their statements, when everyone still claimed Trump was lying about the vaccine being close.

>On Sunday, during an interview on CNN’s State of the Union, Harris was asked whether she would trust a vaccine doled out by the Trump administration before Election Day.

>“I think that we have learned since this pandemic started, but really before that, that there’s very little that we can trust that comes out of Donald Trump’s mouth,” Harris said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/anti-vaxxer-accuses-...

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by beerandt »

oezi wrote: post #80
throwawayboise wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. They didn't want Trump to have that "win." It was purely political. The vaccines they are pushing now are the very same ones that were developed and tested while Trump was in office.

It certainly wasn't purely political. It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict. The US FDA was among the first world-wide to approve (Europe was months later) which in my mind shows that there is not much to an argument that political forces delayed the announcement (and how could the opposition / democrat…

>It was based on the idea that the decision to approve the vaccine is the job of the FDA and that they have to pass their safety and effectiveness verdict.

You can't claim they were just following the rules, because they weren't. They bended and broke whatever rules they saw fit to get the vaccine done, including doing multiple phases simultaneously. If the FDA were following the rules, we still wouldn't have a vaccine available, because they still don't have full FDA approval.

>Trump was still rejecting SARS-COV-19 as irrelevant

Trump was called racist by Congressional D's for wanting to shut down the international travel to prevent the spread in February.

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