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Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by nsilvestri »

toper-centage wrote: post #15

It's honestly a pity. Firefox is it perfect but the Internet is becoming worse because of chrome. Google is able to fast track any non standard Web tech and the hordes follow. Soon after, that become the standard. I don't want to cheer for a broken browser, but only Safari is able to stop this madness now. Also, Firefox on the Desktop is really good and still let's you do so much more than chrome clones. But it suffe…

Chrome is already the standard. Firefox usually works, but more and more often nowadays I encounter a glitchy or poorly performing page, which I switch to Chrome to use properly.

I use Firefox to not be part of the Chrome monopoly, not because it's actually a fundamentally better browser.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by toper-centage »

crmrc114 wrote: post #5

I may be the odd one but I dropped FF after the drama over brendin eich and his support of prop 8. I just did not feel the same after seeing how he was attacked for his personal contributions. There was just some hateful stuff that came from both sides that really uncovered some toxic personalities in the FF legion.

When you're a CEO, you're also the face of the company. His "personal contributions" were to support banning of same sex marriage, and it was just 5 years earlier. That's just unacceptable, even in 2014. It really showed how politics work inside companies like Mozilla.

But you're not alone. That year lots of users dropped Firefox.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by Ygg2 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #18

I moved back to FF after Quantum but haven't been happy with the latest round of UI changes (which also seems to have turned the buttery performance of quantum into a stuttery mess on my machine)

Guess firing those people that brought you those improvement really paid up for Mozilla execs.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by kevhsu »

crmrc114 wrote: post #5

I may be the odd one but I dropped FF after the drama over brendin eich and his support of prop 8. I just did not feel the same after seeing how he was attacked for his personal contributions. There was just some hateful stuff that came from both sides that really uncovered some toxic personalities in the FF legion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/brave-brendan-ei...

I don't feel bad for this guy - He says and does things regularly that are hurtful to society with no signs of becoming a better person.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by totony »

crmrc114 wrote: post #5

I may be the odd one but I dropped FF after the drama over brendin eich and his support of prop 8. I just did not feel the same after seeing how he was attacked for his personal contributions. There was just some hateful stuff that came from both sides that really uncovered some toxic personalities in the FF legion.

Yeah, that and the other political commentary + dropping most of their projects (rust, ffsend) really isn't helping.

Really wish they'd focus on one mission (making the web free) and not address anything else.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by yaomtc »

nsilvestri wrote: post #21
toper-centage wrote: post #15

It's honestly a pity. Firefox is it perfect but the Internet is becoming worse because of chrome. Google is able to fast track any non standard Web tech and the hordes follow. Soon after, that become the standard. I don't want to cheer for a broken browser, but only Safari is able to stop this madness now. Also, Firefox on the Desktop is really good and still let's you do so much more than chrome clones. But it suffe…

Chrome is already the standard. Firefox usually works, but more and more often nowadays I encounter a glitchy or poorly performing page, which I switch to Chrome to use properly. I use Firefox to not be part of the Chrome monopoly, not because it's actually a fundamentally better browser.

> I encounter a glitchy or poorly performing page

When you have the time, you should note it here: https://webcompat.com/

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by saurik »

crmrc114 wrote: post #5

I may be the odd one but I dropped FF after the drama over brendin eich and his support of prop 8. I just did not feel the same after seeing how he was attacked for his personal contributions. There was just some hateful stuff that came from both sides that really uncovered some toxic personalities in the FF legion.

Is there anything you could imagine he could be doing with personal contributions that you would consider worth "attacking" him over (at which point I guess we could reverse engineer that you consider that activity notably "worse" than what Brandon Eich actually did) or do you feel like there is nothing that someone could be doing in their "personal" lives that should cause them to not be a good public face of a project like Firefox?
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