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1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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The UK's National Health Service (NHS) is definitely up there. There are 1.6m people working for NHS and about 41m people of working age in the UK. So that's about 1 in 26 (or 3.9%). Sources: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-... , https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LFWA64TTGBQ647S

They're a public employer though, no?

In essence, they're employed by the queen

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

There's 152 other families to work as scabs for each striking worker. I worry all of this won't be resolved until the next State level paradigm shift, like when the world mostly did away with kings and queens for liberalism.

> …the next State level paradigm shift….

I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this point.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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There's also the other option similar to what happened after the New York Elevator Operator Strike in 1945 -- the total elimination of a profession. https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/100-years-ago-we-fear... "It wasn't until the middle of the twentieth century that the tipping point came along for the driverless elevator as the result of a strike by the elevator operators' union in New York City in 1945. The str…

I think a fully automated amazon without a large local workforce and therefor a large local TAXBASE is going to be a huge target for regulatory enforcement.

How? If the workforce isn't local, then there's no citizens involved which US law applies too.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

Why do you accuse them of suppressing wages when they lead the way to $15/hr, and when they literally spend money lobbying congress to raise the federal minimum wage? https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-15-minimum-wage-lobby...

It is far better for them to offer $15, rather than employees demand $20. Their actions are strategic. Enough to keep the heat off from Union and Labor representatives, but not enough to affect their bottom line.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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"The US has a population of 261 million and an employed non-farm workforce of 145 million, per the BLS" Anyone know why the "non-farm workforce" is the number reported here?

It's nothing malicious; it's a common way to express employment figures. Farm payrolls tend to swell and contract seasonally (to pick/plant and much less work in-between) so "non-farm workforce" is a way of smoothing out the numbers.

What do lose by not considering farm workers?

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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post #150

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> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

And it’s a negative cycle. Those already budget stretched people are getting paid poorly by Amazon, so they too will shop at Amazon. We’re not there yet but the cycle is reminiscent of the factory owners with factory stores and pubs where the workers spend all their money during the industrial revolution. Unions and worker laws stem from that era. So who knows - maybe we’re on the cusp of another revolution that’s si…

See also: Walmart and its standard practice onboarding employees by signing them up to food stamps.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

I buy all my sneakers from Ebay (new, not used) and they never cost more than the price you mentioned. There are definitely alternatives.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Because if they don't, it's the end? You can't seriously expect corporations to welcome unions?

Why not?

Long ago, there were 2 companies - one welcomed unions and the other stopped unions. The one which welcomed unions lost it's profit margin and the other "predatory" company kept it's profit margins and grew more aggressively and put the "good" company out of business.

After that entrepreneurs learned that you need to be ruthless to win in capitalism. Don't get me wrong, I support fair wages for all employees, no matter what they do. But in real life capitalism, only the most ruthless companies win (FB, AMZN), unless they have an amazing product (e.g. GOOGL)

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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> then work the person to death so they become dependent on that job. Any evidence for this? Especially in COVID times when there's massive unemployment checks programs, if that were remotely true nobody would be working for Amazon right now.

Most Amazon warehouse employees will attest to how much you're tracked in terms of performance numbers and how taking micro breaks[0] is discouraged or punished. And $15/hr is still generally more than most employment, with the state average maximum individual unemployment being $2042 a month [1] and Amazon paying minimum $2600 a month (in terms of full-time), which might make or break the bank for many Amazon employ…

> Most Amazon warehouse employees will attest to how much you're tracked in terms of performance numbers

What is the turnover rate? Because if you hate your job every single day no amount of money will make you stay.

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