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1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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When was retail ridiculously profitable? The charts for public retail companies going back 2 or 3 decades show sub 5% profit margins. The weakness of retail is that it has a low barrier to entry and does not provide much more utility compared to competitors. Quality control and branding and the internet make obtaining information about good products and being able to trust them much easier than in decades long ago. S…

Margins are the difference between what it cost, and what you earned. But what I would call "profitability" is your actual return versus capital deployed. For example, I know a retailer that earns a 1% margin...terrible? No. They turn over their inventory every week (roughly), so they earn that 1% 56x times a year...that is a very profitable business. Similarly, I can earn a 90% margin but if I can only turn my asset…

>Margins are the difference between what it cost, and what you earned. But what I would call "profitability" is your actual return versus capital deployed.

>For example, I know a retailer that earns a 1% margin...terrible? No. They turn over their inventory every week (roughly), so they earn that 1% 56x times a year...that is a very profitable business. Similarly, I can earn a 90% margin but if I can only turn my assets over every ten years (some business are like this) then that business isn't very profitable.

I do not know what most of this is supposed to mean, but that is not what profit margins indicate on a company's 10-K. A 1% profit margin indicates little room for error, and given that most retailers pay bottom tier wages, it means they have intense competition and little pricing power. Very few at the very top might get rich in retail.

>Retail provides massive utility.

I specified that retail does not provide much utility compared to other retailers.

>I am not clear what your point is.

My point was that I disagree with your original comment

>They strip all the difference out of their product, usually compete solely on price, and (ofc) someone eventually comes in and undercuts them. That is a failure of incentives and management.

There is no failure of management or incentives. There is customers willing to shop somewhere else for 5 cents less. A few retailers, that I mentioned, will succeed catering the the top 1 or 2 quintiles who can afford to pay a little extra, but most retailers will be competing on mostly price alone.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I have to say - Amazon is almost the only thing that works during COVID. Everything else is pegged. I've been waiting 6 months to buy a couch, every time I check on an update, its delayed. Government services are impossible to work with, try getting a passport or license. If you have an emergency every office is closed or dysfunctional. Amazon on the other hand works fine. I'm so thankful for it.

I cancelled all of my 'subscribe and save' items on Amazon last year because they stopped delivering them. I think Amazon delivered maybe half of what I ordered in 2020. I've all but given up on Amazon at this point.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

There's also the other option similar to what happened after the New York Elevator Operator Strike in 1945 -- the total elimination of a profession. https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/100-years-ago-we-fear... "It wasn't until the middle of the twentieth century that the tipping point came along for the driverless elevator as the result of a strike by the elevator operators' union in New York City in 1945. The str…

retraining does not work https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/01/the-fa...

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

There's also the other option similar to what happened after the New York Elevator Operator Strike in 1945 -- the total elimination of a profession. https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/100-years-ago-we-fear... "It wasn't until the middle of the twentieth century that the tipping point came along for the driverless elevator as the result of a strike by the elevator operators' union in New York City in 1945. The str…

> If Amazon is close enough to automating these jobs, then it will likely just automate it and fire whoever it can.

They will do this anyway. The reason it mattered for elevator operators is that you had to convince a bunch of end users that it was reasonable to self-operate the elevator after they had been trained for years to have an attendant, and you probably had to modify the deployed elevators all over the city--which weren't owned by and one party but had been installed by various buildings--to have additional safety features. Amazon can replace out how Amazon works internally and I would have no clue.

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

I'd buy more often from smaller businesses if it didn't take most of them 3 days to merely put the shipping label on the box, let alone actually ship it. Amazon is top dog because they know people want a shot at getting items on the same day or next day. Almost no other online business can match that besides maybe Walmart, but they're vastly inferior and their fast shipping rarely pans out.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

> The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well.

They've become the new Walmart, they killed off all other options so now its the only place left for a lot of people.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

> I bought then for $35. They will arrive tomorrow. Shouldn't you wait to see what kind of cheapo $35 shoe arrives tomorrow, one you never got to try on, before you celebrate?

Sounds like he did due-diligence on reviews.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

> The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. They've become the new Walmart, they killed off all other options so now its the only place left for a lot of people.

> they killed off all other options

Is it that difficult to imagine the amount of value it created for those communities, too?

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ? The "just stop buying amazon" arguments never made sense to me in the first place, because most people who use it are the ones budget-stretched in the first place. A lot of rural communities have no other viable options for some items as well. It will take massive government action and that's it. There's no other way we can fix this problem. Wages are su…

There's also the other option similar to what happened after the New York Elevator Operator Strike in 1945 -- the total elimination of a profession. https://www.inc.com/thomas-koulopoulos/100-years-ago-we-fear... "It wasn't until the middle of the twentieth century that the tipping point came along for the driverless elevator as the result of a strike by the elevator operators' union in New York City in 1945. The str…

"being a temp for future robots"

While everyone was predicting that the dirty jobs would get automated, instead its a lot of midlevel jobs are getting automated, but we still don't have a robot that can take out the trash.

I am willing to bet my house thay we can automate away the CEO but not the janitor, and it will be hilarious.

Management is just analysis of data, we can do that. But the physical works requires dexterity and robotics that still escapes us.

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