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1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I think OP's intuition is probably wrong and that "1 in Y" is more effective than "X%". That being said, it is tricky to move the adjustment between the numerator and denominator, and there are cases where this choice can be key -- "25 miles per gallon" is indeed a far worse metric to use than "4 gallons per 100 miles".

It isn't if you know the capacity of your tank in gallons, and want to know how far you can drive on average before refilling it. Or if you know the price of gasoline, and want to know how far you can drive for some amount of money. In fact I'm struggling to come up with practical circumstances where gallons per 100 miles is what I'd want to know, could you explain why that seems better to you?

Fuel economy is typically printed the same place range already is computed =)

mpg is used to indicate fuel economy, comparing among cars. People might think -- do think -- that the difference between a 15mpg car and a 25mpg car is similar to the difference between a 25mpg car and a 35mpg car. But the difference is nowhere close in amount of gas saved per year of similar driving between the two. The former is a great boon to the environment and the pocketbook, but the latter is much more modest.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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post #103

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Why do you accuse them of suppressing wages when they lead the way to $15/hr, and when they literally spend money lobbying congress to raise the federal minimum wage? https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-15-minimum-wage-lobby...

Does that include their contractors ? Or the “gig economy” delivery style workers they try to trim all the fat off of? The only thing they lead the way on is new ways to package their poor behavior.

Yes. It does.

https://www.ridester.com/how-much-do-amazon-drivers-make/#:~.... https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Amazon-Flex/salaries/Independent-...

There are many things Amazon could improve but unfortunately this is the most blatantly incorrect argument that is repeated the most.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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"The US has a population of 261 million and an employed non-farm workforce of 145 million, per the BLS" Anyone know why the "non-farm workforce" is the number reported here?

It's nothing malicious; it's a common way to express employment figures. Farm payrolls tend to swell and contract seasonally (to pick/plant and much less work in-between) so "non-farm workforce" is a way of smoothing out the numbers.

That's a great explanation, thanks.

I found this too: https://www.stlouisfed.org/open-vault/2019/july/nonfarm-payr...

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

There are other megastores with options other than Amazon. Target, Walmart, etc.

I have found Amazon to be not the best with clothing/shoes unless you're buying the same shoes over and over - the pricing in that case is often not competitive either.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

"So aside from “just stop buying from Amazon” what can we do ?"

IMHO, the system is [china builds things] -> [middle man sells it on amazon] -> [consumer buys it on amazon]. Amazon needs these middle man people and has starting cutting them out by producing their own lines to create even more profit. The only way Amazon will die is if the graph turns into: [china builds things] -> [consumer buys it]. I know, I know, i hear everyone saying: that is impossible. But I don't think it is and I think that is coming.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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State and local is even bigger. Id guess 600k employees of New York state/county/city/town/authority payrolls. Mass employment businesses aren’t common. I visited a gold ball factory once… there were about 3 people packing boxes and one dude fiddling with the machines.

Is "gold ball" some kind of industry term or classification of a factory? Or are they literally producing spheres of gold? EDIT: oooh, you probably meant "golf ball". I was not being purposely difficult, just dumb

I apologize I intended golf ball!

I would imagine that internal controls would require more employees of a factory making balls from gold! :)

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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post #102

I’m torn badly with Amazon. After read The Everything Store, and what has been written all over the place, Jeff Bezos is a massive turd. Employees are horribly treated, wages suppressed, and all sorts of terrible and abusive practices. Then it comes time for me to buy something. I needed a new pair of size 14 sneakers. I drove to Adidas, Footlocker, dicks, and a few other stores but I just couldn’t justify $100 sneak…

For diversity, I buy from target.com. They don’t have the selection but sometimes that’s what you want. I don’t need to look through 20 brands of tissue. Their prices and shipping are generally on par with Amazon (I assume they are forgoing profit to get loyal customers) So basically I would try going to target first, then Amazon. Or Newegg or B&H first, then Amazon. There are other retailers of course but those tend…

This is a good point. I've found stuff on Target I wouldn't have considered on Amazon.

I also like Target's pickup option - it's even better than Amazon sometimes because it'll often be ready for me in like 15-30m and driving/biking over there is like a 10m exercise.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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You're comparing apples to oranges. Would you be able to buy a couch on Amazon? The #1 bestseller on Amazon currently says "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock." so it doesn't work here the same way other retailers don't work. So you're saying you can't get a passport from the government but you're able to buy certain things on Amazon therefore Amazon is better?

I just moved in to a new apartment, and I've been ordering furniture on Amazon. Why? Because the local Ikea is out of everything I've looked for, which is unsettling because I don't think of Ikea as running out of things. It works... ok. The delivery company only delivered one of three boxes for my bedframe, I got a refund but now I have a headboard and a mattress on the floor, and the model is out of stock. Woe is m…

Which might show the monopsony power of Amazon being abused.

I recall an article talking about how manufacturers with limited stocks would supply Amazon first, prioritising Amazon other channels, due to the incentives of their contracts and the penalties imposed by Amazon's business processes. Unfortunately I can't find the article now...

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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That makes Amazon #3, after the federal government and Walmart: Entity US Employees 1. US Government 2.7M 2. Walmart 1.6M 3. Amazon 1.0M If Amazon continues to grow at current rates, it will surpass Walmart's figure within 2 years. Looking at these figures, it's evident that these three entities are far larger, wealthier, more connected, and likely more powerful than the vast majority of US cities, the vast majority…

Is this level of concentration a totally new phenomenon? In the 1970s GM employed almost 700k people, and the US population like 30% lower. Is it just different companies every generation?

Clearly, it's not a new phenomenon. That's an easy question to answer :-) The more interesting question is whether such a high concentration of wealth and power in non-democratically-elected entities is a net-positive phenomenon for the US.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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post #81

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>"So aside from just stop buying from Amazon, what can we do?" Lower the barriers to entry for business. It is not easy to comply with regulations and reporting. A scrappy startup can replace Amazon if they can focus on things that are not burdensome and arbitrary, like rent + insurance + tax reporting + legal.

Lol, no a startup can't replace Amazon without themselves having all of those rents, and insurances, and reporting accountants and lawyers. Amazon has a logistics network that rivals the U.S. military's right now. You can't just "displace & disrupt" that with a trendy San Francisco office.

Why wouldn't you have said the same about Amazon and B&N in 1994?
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