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1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, most “communist” countries (and I use the term loosely because really they were just state capitalist) owned many different companies, rather than being part of one mega government corporation.

Its all a spectrum but I think in practice the above statement is meaningful. In the USSR the government set ranges of wages that different firms/administrators could give out. I guess in practice you had some choice but not if you had one entity with practically unlimited negotiating power.

There were political differences, though. At least in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic where I grew up.

First of all, there were some collectively owned enterprises (cooperatives), which were a tiny bit more independent than directly state owned business. They could deviate a little from the strict, centrally directed price and wage norms etc.

Second, even in the state owned sector, there was some diversity among political attitudes. Some directors were more pragmatic and would be willing to employ even people whose cadre record was tainted (e.g. a relative defected to the West). Some directors were hardcore Communists who would never tolerate suspicious or politically unreliable characters in their workforce.

Finding a job if you were deemed politically unreliable was a big deal, because being jobless for a certain period of time was a crime punishable by prison. (Parasitism.)

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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> The US has a population of 261 million and an employed non-farm workforce of 145 million, per the BLS. >According to the most recent US employment report, there are 145.8 million nonfarm payroll workers out of a total population of 332 million. ignoring the mismatching "Populations". (261 million seems to be "Civilian noninstitutional population") This [0] seems to say there are 152,283,000 employed in US. are ther…

Probably has to do with precise definitions of "non farm", "farmer", "farming" and "agricultural". BLS has this showing 2.3 million people working in agriculture: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat15.htm And this showing there are 900,000 jobs for "Agricultural worker" https://www.bls.gov/ooh/farming-fishing-and-forestry/mobile/... Clearly the terms "Employed persons in agriculture industries" and "agricultural workers"…

If you expand the "What Agricultural Workers Do" section, it says:

> Agricultural workers maintain crops and tend livestock. They perform physical labor and operate machinery under the supervision of farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers.

According to https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/farmers-ranchers-and-othe..., there are 952,000 jobs as "agricultural managers," which isn't how I'd naively expect things to be divided, but it does make sense.

I wonder how the remaining jobs are categorized.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, most “communist” countries (and I use the term loosely because really they were just state capitalist) owned many different companies, rather than being part of one mega government corporation.

Its all a spectrum but I think in practice the above statement is meaningful. In the USSR the government set ranges of wages that different firms/administrators could give out. I guess in practice you had some choice but not if you had one entity with practically unlimited negotiating power.

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Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably has to do with precise definitions of "non farm", "farmer", "farming" and "agricultural". BLS has this showing 2.3 million people working in agriculture: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat15.htm And this showing there are 900,000 jobs for "Agricultural worker" https://www.bls.gov/ooh/farming-fishing-and-forestry/mobile/... Clearly the terms "Employed persons in agriculture industries" and "agricultural workers"…

If you expand the "What Agricultural Workers Do" section, it says: > Agricultural workers maintain crops and tend livestock. They perform physical labor and operate machinery under the supervision of farmers, ranchers, and other agricultural managers. According to https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/farmers-ranchers-and-othe... , there are 952,000 jobs as "agricultural managers," which isn't how I'd naively expect thi…

With automation, they may not manage anybody anymore, just machinery.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I have to say - Amazon is almost the only thing that works during COVID. Everything else is pegged. I've been waiting 6 months to buy a couch, every time I check on an update, its delayed. Government services are impossible to work with, try getting a passport or license. If you have an emergency every office is closed or dysfunctional. Amazon on the other hand works fine. I'm so thankful for it.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Would you be able to buy a couch on Amazon? The #1 bestseller on Amazon currently says "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock." so it doesn't work here the same way other retailers don't work. So you're saying you can't get a passport from the government but you're able to buy certain things on Amazon therefore Amazon is better?

I just opened amazon incognito, searched for "couch", and everything seems to be available in a week. Some in 4 days.

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I wonder what the largest private employers as % of total labor force have been throughout history. We currently have a labor force of ~160 million people and Walmart employs "1 out of every 72 American workers" or ~1.3%

I don't know about private. But the largest employer in the world is the US Department of Defense employing an estimated 2.8 million people which is about triple what Amazon employs.

WalMart has about 2.2 million world wide of which 1.5 million are US employees.

Amazon, according to the article, has about 950,000 employees.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_De...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmart

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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Now do it for: * US DoD * Walmart * McDonalds * USPS

Walmart, which has a presence in communities of all shapes and sizes, is the largest private employer in the nation with 1.5 million workers. Yet the number of Americans who rely on the corporate giant for their livelihoods is dwarfed by the number who rely on the federal government for their paychecks. The federal government employs nearly 9.1 million workers, comprising nearly 6 percent of total employment in the United States. The figure includes nearly 2.1 million federal employees, 4.1 million contract employees, 1.2 million grant employees, 1.3 million active duty military personnel, and more than 500,000 postal service employees.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/438242-the-federal-gover...

Re: 1 out of every 153 American workers is an Amazon employee

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I wonder what the largest private employers as % of total labor force have been throughout history. We currently have a labor force of ~160 million people and Walmart employs "1 out of every 72 American workers" or ~1.3%

Wasn't basically everyone an employee of one "company" in communist countries?

It varied wildly as communist countries tried every trick on the table to keep their economies from dying every few years, but the essence was that none of them really worked before most minimal forms of private property, and enterprise was allowed.
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