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Need the same for clearTax in India

The situation in India is far, far better than the one in the US.

The Income Tax Department has provided free filing software since the mid-to-late 2000s. Earlier it was Excel-based. Then they introduced Java-based tooling. Finally, they added in-browser filing for simpler returns (ITR 1).

The problem in India, as always, is not the software, but the laws/rules. If your case is complex and you don't know all the applicable rules, you are going to need professional advice. And professionals have access to professional filing software.

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post #30

Your government should just offer something like this. In my country I just check the data they collected to make sure it's correct (and until now it always has been) and click 'OK' - taxes done.

That’s an oversimplification. For example, how do you expect your home government to know about incomes/dividends/gains that you earned in other countries. And that’s just one example.

Here in the UK the vast majority has very simple income (i.e. just salaries). The employer reports the income and taxes taxes and passes it directly to HMRC (our IRS equivalent). By the end of the year for the vast majority HMRC knows how much you've paid in taxes and how much you've earned, and automatically gives you a rebate in case you've overpaid, or adjusts your tax code next your to pay what you still owe (if it's not a big amount).

If you have additional income, dividends, gains and under certain other circumstance, you're liable to fill out a tax return (self-assessment as it's called). It's a very simple form that contains information that applies to the vast majority of those who need to do their self-assessment. After you've sent it back, they'll calculate if you've overpaid (and compensate) or underpaid (and require you to pay what you owe) or neither. It is trust based but they do audits up to 7 years back, and if have lied or made mistakes, then you'll be liable.

The few richest of the richest who fall outside the above two (they still need to do a self-assessment) probably have a completely different process but it doesn't matter because they have the resources to hire firms to figure it out.

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an oversimplification. For example, how do you expect your home government to know about incomes/dividends/gains that you earned in other countries. And that’s just one example.

I think only the US double taxes its citizens like this.

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#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They give you a space that you input it in, if there's something missing how was that hard to figure out

> They give you a space that you input it in, if there's something missing And someone working minimum wage with no overseas dividend income must manually read every space for these “missing” line items? Seems like you’re wasting the minimum wage worker’s time.

Here in the UK, minimum wage workers do not have to do a self-assessment. Only certain circumstances require you to return a self-assessment, some of those circumstances include earning over 150k or having income beyond your usual PAYE income (e.g. dividends etc). A majority of workers don't need to deal with any tax returns or whatnot. At the end of the year they simply either get a rebate or asked to pay what if they've underpaid. Some of those who underpaid don't even need to worry as their tax code is adjusted to include what they owe in their next tax year allowing the payment to be spread over a year.

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#46
post #30

Your government should just offer something like this. In my country I just check the data they collected to make sure it's correct (and until now it always has been) and click 'OK' - taxes done.

That’s an oversimplification. For example, how do you expect your home government to know about incomes/dividends/gains that you earned in other countries. And that’s just one example.

Is it? That's how taxes work in pretty much every other country aside from the US. They send you a proposed tax and ask you to check if it looks correct.

It's just that in the US, companies like Intuit lobby to keep the tax code as complicated as possible so they can sell tax filing software.

Americans have grown up with complicated tax codes, so that's all they know. They don't realize it can be better.

Re: UsTaxes – open-source tax filing web application

#47
Hi, GDS in the UK has done a lot of work around use of language and design to simplify services like this, it's worth having a look at some of their blog.

In particular, there was a big change from thing-gov-cares about to verbs, so instead of just "fill in a XYZ" you get "I want to do X".

I understand here, you need to think about the particular gov forms, but it's also good to surface some things that are user centric, to funnel them to the right place.

https://gds.blog.gov.uk/

https://designnotes.blog.gov.uk/2015/06/22/good-services-are...

https://designnotes.blog.gov.uk/2017/03/27/naming-your-servi...

Re: UsTaxes – open-source tax filing web application

#48
post #30

Your government should just offer something like this. In my country I just check the data they collected to make sure it's correct (and until now it always has been) and click 'OK' - taxes done.

That’s an oversimplification. For example, how do you expect your home government to know about incomes/dividends/gains that you earned in other countries. And that’s just one example.

If I earn income in another country i pay the income tax in that country. My home country does not care or know about it, like it should be.

Re: UsTaxes – open-source tax filing web application

#49
post #30

Your government should just offer something like this. In my country I just check the data they collected to make sure it's correct (and until now it always has been) and click 'OK' - taxes done.

That’s an oversimplification. For example, how do you expect your home government to know about incomes/dividends/gains that you earned in other countries. And that’s just one example.

Because AML/KYC laws and cross-country report requirements mean that the financial institution holding the funds reports them.

There is a ton of information sharing between financial institutions and governments.

It is not just FACTA (though that particular law takes things much too far)

Re: UsTaxes – open-source tax filing web application

#50

Can this application actually e-file? From what I see it can help you fill out various tax forms, but you would need to manually file it (print/mail it in) rather than e-file. Is that correct? From the research I did, it seems that being able to e-file requires that you go through a complex process to get approved by the IRS (PDF: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p3112.pdf )

I think there are multiple hurdles to getting e-file to work.

The biggest hurdle in my view is that e-file requires an intermediary between the payer and the IRS. One of the benefits of this program is that it runs on the user's computer without a backend.

Ideally the IRS would allow people to e-file without an intermediary. There is www.freefilefillableforms.com, made by intuit, and we may be able to interface with that.

But for now we just haven't figured this part out yet, and we'd probably need community help to get there.

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