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Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

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Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#41
> everyone got an email address and most lost their assistants

This is important. In the 90s I was working in an office with a half dozen other people, and the director had a secretary who also managed the office. She handled things like everyone's travel bookings, routine administrative stuff, and the like. And she was good at it. Fast forward to today and all but the most senior people spend days dealing with corporate systems to book travel, do expense reports, requisitioning things for our computers and laptops, and other assorted administrivia. In academia even tenured professors do it themselves. And these corporate portals are terrible. Now consider the scenario (set aside pandemic live for now) where a team of programmers working in two or three different offices around the country needs an in-person event. Instead of having one person, who is familiar with the systems and rules and is very good at navigating them, you have half a dozen highly paid professionals blowing half a day or more each wrangling up travel and accommodations. It's such a huge waste of people's time.

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

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post #8

I think asynchronous communication ( https://blog.doist.com/asynchronous-communication/ ) moves in the right direction on this. 99% of things are not urgent, and people should not be expected to be available instantaneously. But implementing that requires discipline on the part of the person sending the message.

also see:

https://basecamp.com/guides/how-we-communicate

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#43
People are focusing on the mention of email but that's just a detail. What Newport is really onto here is horrible state of office organization, of which having to deal with email is just a symptom.

The hive mind arises because instead of having 1 or two people handle things like coordinating a meeting, everyone involved has to coordinate with everyone else.

> Rather than strategic thinkers, managers work as human switchboards, answering and forwarding dozens of emails on any and every topic to keep the system from seizing up.

You could take out "email" and replace it with "slack threads" or "text messages", or just about any other tech, and you'd still have the same problem: there's no sane organization any more, just a bunch of people running around trying to connect and work with each other.

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#44

> Fixing the hive-mind is going to be a billion dollar industry Cal Newport was one of the inspirations for https://inboxwhenready.org . At this point, people have paid me over $100K to make it harder for them to read their email. I've made some effort to persuade the Gmail and Superhuman teams to take this issue seriously, but to no avail, yet. If anyone here is building an email client or popular Gmail extension, I…

Is your extension collecting email addresses? I got an email after trying it out.

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#45
post #19

Why do people hate email so much? (Because they haven't mastered it yet, Grasshopper, but anyway...) The thing is, it's communication. Are we shocked that a big chunk of our work burden is the burden of communication? "He spent 1/3 of his time at work answering emails!" Outrageous! vs. "He spent 1/3 of his time at work communicating with the other workers." Yeah sounds about right, if not a little low. The other thin…

>Tony Soprano would say, ay it's fuckin' raining, but whaddyagonnadoo.

"You don't wanna work in the rain, go try out for the Yankees." ~ Season 1 Episode 5, "College"

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#46

> everyone got an email address and most lost their assistants This is important. In the 90s I was working in an office with a half dozen other people, and the director had a secretary who also managed the office. She handled things like everyone's travel bookings, routine administrative stuff, and the like. And she was good at it. Fast forward to today and all but the most senior people spend days dealing with corpo…

As long as we have engineers working for days each month on administrative stuff, a shortage of engineers seems to be far fetched.

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#47
post #19

Why do people hate email so much? (Because they haven't mastered it yet, Grasshopper, but anyway...) The thing is, it's communication. Are we shocked that a big chunk of our work burden is the burden of communication? "He spent 1/3 of his time at work answering emails!" Outrageous! vs. "He spent 1/3 of his time at work communicating with the other workers." Yeah sounds about right, if not a little low. The other thin…

I love email. It is just text, it is truly asynchronous (as in: nobody expects you to answer within a minute) it is sortable, searchanle, you can create automatic filters, everybody has email.

But the best thing is: you have to write everything into _one_ email. I don't have to follow someones fragmented train of thought and glue the shards together in order to make sense of them. No: they want something from me and so the burden of sorting their thoughts is on them.

I also don't hate chats, or a phone call, however this is for different communications. If you do important stuff everybody should know via chat (or worse: recorded speech messages in a chat) you might be doing it wrong.

I know someone whos boss would send multiple 15 min speech messages a day into a group chat to all employees. To find the information you needed to know you would have to listen through the whole thing, write it down for yourself etc. And this times 40 employees just because one person didn't bother.

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#48

> Fixing the hive-mind is going to be a billion dollar industry Cal Newport was one of the inspirations for https://inboxwhenready.org . At this point, people have paid me over $100K to make it harder for them to read their email. I've made some effort to persuade the Gmail and Superhuman teams to take this issue seriously, but to no avail, yet. If anyone here is building an email client or popular Gmail extension, I…

Is your extension collecting email addresses? I got an email after trying it out.

Yes, it collects your email when you install. This lets me send a couple onboarding messages and determine what plan you are on. There's more info in the (human readable) privacy policy.

When I started this project I wanted the onboarding experience to be as simple as possible, i.e. no annoying sign up stage. I wondered whether this approach would lead to lots of questions like yours: in fact, I think less than 5 people have asked about this since 2015. My sense is that, on balance, most people benefit from the "install = sign-up" flow.

https://inboxwhenready.org/terms-privacy/

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#49
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the sense that the real problem isn't so much synchronous communication but the need to get information or reconcile state with a specific person. If any team member was equally capable of providing input, each individual would only have to poll 1/n as often

Interesting, but a person who prefers to poll once a day in the morning, perhaps, gets nothing because there's someone else who prefers to poll at the end of the day. How do you allow them the flexibility to design their schedule?

My best guess would be a pre-arranged "on call" schedule where a shuffled set of blocks of time are reserved / allocated to each team member

Re: Cal Newport on an industrial revolution for office work

#50
I love email, ya it takes some control and if your organization is out of control it can suck. But I love the entire concept.

I can email anyone in the world, that is mind blowing. I've gotten amazing responses from authors whose books I love, people I admire, old friends I lost contact with and found, etc...

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