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Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by kyro »

dpcan wrote: post #59
jurjenh wrote: post #53

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Before people start forgetting real-world context here: In the physical world, people can and do take photos with you in it. They then get these developed, and may put them in an album with the people identified. You would have absolutely no access to this photo unless they choose to share this with you, however that may be. They can also choose to share it with their friends, possibly even form a presentation with i…

The equivalent to your analogy is the "My Pictures" folder we all have on our private computers. Google is not this. They are a giant corporation letting you store your photos with them for free and they have documented that tagging is sharing.

Google's whole goal for G+ is that it's supposed to be modeled after how life really works – circles, hangouts, etc. The picture sharing is not how things go down in the real world. When your aunt has goofy pictures of you at family gatherings, chances are she's showed them to a handful of other individuals without your consent. The pictures are hers and she shares them with her circles, regardless of who's present in those photos. The way Google is handling this seems to go against the ethos of G+.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by kenjackson »

lukesandberg wrote: post #6
DVassallo wrote: post #4

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The problem is the automatic "merge" of Picasa Web with Google+. If I mark an album as private in Picasa Web, I wouldn't expect anything to be shared. Especially if I would have been doing this for years. This violates the principle of least astonishment, at the very least.

I think it does make some intuitive sense (even if there is confusing messaging on this). If i tag someone in a picture, then clearly they should be able to see that picture (i mean they were there when it was taken so there should be no problem with that). Extending this to the album level makes some sense because presumably everything in an album is related to a particular event (so that person who was tagged would…

Extending this to the album level makes some sense because presumably everything in an album is related to a particular event (so that person who was tagged would have been there for all of that).

I have many albums broken out by date. The fact that you were playing basketball with me at 10am doesn't mean you were at my sister's house that evening.

Google is making social take a lot more energy than I care to give it. Circles seemed OK. But now having to break up my albums and tagging into visibility units is absurd. It's easier to just quit.

G+ is making me really appreciate Facebook -- which I NEVER thought I'd say.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by ktsmith »

jahmed wrote: post #29
ktsmith wrote: post #16

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Why should Person A be able to see the photos they are tagged in if the photos have never been shared? If I have lots of albums on Picasa and I never share any of them but I tag everyone in them, that's pretty clearly for my benefit and not the benefit of the individuals in the photos. There's no harm to Person A by being tagged in my private album, nor is there really any benefit to Person A by having the photo auto…

Because its me. If you have a picture of me and want to link it to my profile information then I think it would be reasonable for me to know you have that picture. There is obvious benefit for me to have that picture shared with me and aware that it exists instead of it being hidden away in your private collection. Tagging is sharing. I see tagging as creating a link between the photo and my google+ profile. Maybe th…

It's completely and utterly irrelevant that it's you. I took the picture, it's MY picture. I have thousands of physical pictures captured on 35mm film. I have names and dates written on them, should I have to give a copy of all of those pictures to the people that are in them simply because I put their name on the back? Should I have to give them a copy because I wrote their URL on the back? The additional meta data of the link to your profile is not ANY greater than a simple label so long as that picture is private.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by ktsmith »

hammock wrote: post #38
ktsmith wrote: post #9

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Allowing someone that was tagged in a photo to see the photo is fine with me. Letting them see the entire album doesn't make a bit of sense because there's not really a good way to automatically determine if the rest of the pictures in the album are relevant to that person. While you might make an album based on events I tend to make albums based on dates. During periods where I don't take a lot of pictures I might h…

Allowing someone that was tagged in a photo to see the photo is fine with me. Letting them see the entire album doesn't make a bit of sense How many people realize that Facebook has been doing this for a long long time?

Probably not that many. I don't use facebook in large part due to their "everything is public" attitude so it doesn't surprise me. Google+ started off with the circles model and a control whom who share with model so this does surprise me.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by jonknee »

divtxt wrote: post #58
Turing_Machine wrote: post #18

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This may not have always been the case, but you can untag yourself and once you do that no one else is allowed to retag you.

I saw the untag feature, but it shouldn't be my job to monitor facebook 24x7 to untag embarrassing photos.

It hasn't always been the case, but Facebook has a setting called "Who can see photos and videos I'm tagged in". There's also "Let friends of people tagged in my photos and posts see them."

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by ktsmith »

rflrob wrote: post #47
sdizdar wrote: post #39

This seems 100% reasonable to me. If somebody tags me I want to see that photo - and the entire album (since context is also important). I don't want that somebody starts taging me on some photos and then sharing these photos with others without me having chance to untag myself.

I think I would only care if they tag me AND share the photos with others. If they intended not to share it with anybody, then I don't care whether they think I'm in the photo or not. A more reasonable approach would be something like "if a photo is shared, it must be shared with the people tagged in the photo". As far as getting access to the entire album, not everyone uses albums for the same reason. I can't, offha…

I store most of my albums by date and not necessarily by context. So if you were to go through an album I would have to explain the context of each three or four pictures. I'm very particular about whom I share photos with so having a conference photo tagged and shared doesn't bother me. Having a family photo shared because I tagged the conference photo and they were in the same date based album is a deal breaker.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by ktsmith »

darklajid wrote: post #34
patio11 wrote: post #30

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I think it is more of a managing expectations issue. Consider another situation: you pay me $25 via check. I can now debit your bank account for $100,000. Surprised? "Don't write checks." doesn't quite cover it, does it? P.S. Don't write checks.

That is sure going off-topic, but - seeing that I never used checks in 30 years of my life, they are very 'popular' and common over here in Israel now. Can you share your bad experiences? For me that stuff was never relevant and something I heard 'old people' talk about. I feel like someone invites me to a party and wants to play the gramophone for us..

The way that ACH transfers is broken and a check contains all of the information you need to generate fake checks and/or initiate ACH transfers.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by ktsmith »

dpcan wrote: post #59
jurjenh wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before people start forgetting real-world context here: In the physical world, people can and do take photos with you in it. They then get these developed, and may put them in an album with the people identified. You would have absolutely no access to this photo unless they choose to share this with you, however that may be. They can also choose to share it with their friends, possibly even form a presentation with i…

The equivalent to your analogy is the "My Pictures" folder we all have on our private computers. Google is not this. They are a giant corporation letting you store your photos with them for free and they have documented that tagging is sharing.

Actually, before Google+ existed Picasa supported the ability to tag people in photos, and manage albums with limited/restricted sharing. So this is a fundamental change to functionality.

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by chrischen »

kyro wrote: post #61
dpcan wrote: post #59

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The equivalent to your analogy is the "My Pictures" folder we all have on our private computers. Google is not this. They are a giant corporation letting you store your photos with them for free and they have documented that tagging is sharing.

Google's whole goal for G+ is that it's supposed to be modeled after how life really works – circles, hangouts, etc. The picture sharing is not how things go down in the real world. When your aunt has goofy pictures of you at family gatherings, chances are she's showed them to a handful of other individuals without your consent. The pictures are hers and she shares them with her circles, regardless of who's present i…

That just seems like a disadvantage of real life that Google+ can improve upon!

Re: Google Plus: Tagging automatically shares private photos

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Post by michaelschade »

m3koval wrote: post #51
jabo wrote: post #26

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That's good idea. But it still wouldn't solve the issue of people downloading the photos and making them public.

That problem is inherent with posting something online. The best any service can do is make it difficult for someone to accidentally violate their friends' privacy. This, in my opinion, is where Google+ is failing: sharing makes it very easy to make private posts visible to an audience larger than the author intended.

This, in my opinion, is where Google+ is failing: sharing makes it very easy to make private posts visible to an audience larger than the author intended.

In addition to G+ reminding users when resharing a limited post that it was intended for a smaller audience and to be mindful of that, the original poster can also disable resharing entirely.

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