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Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

_Microft wrote: post #36

carnitas wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I don’t know, crushing depression, psychological atmosphere of fear, no biggy

I understand that it must be depressing for people who see masks only as infringing on their freedoms and nothing else, because they are currently at the mercy of society. If someone sees mask wearing instead as a joint effort to fight the pandemic, as means to get out of it earlier by limiting the spread of the disease or as a way that they can do something to protect themselves no matter what others might do, then…

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Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by anonuser123456 » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:43 AM UTC

notabee wrote: post #37

Stumbled upon some truly cursed knowledge (if it's true, though I fervently hope not). Imagine a followup pandemic not of more Covid but of neurodegenerative disease from this. Not just in the most severe cases. 1. https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/14174356332121825... 2. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999611...

I think you are conflating two separate issues.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by aaccount » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

mjevans wrote: post #38

Page 3 is the chart they need to have on display for anyone that doesn't trust the vaccines.

Those values are for a 100,000 people, If you do the calculation for the people not affected

99.9785% of vaccinated are not infected 99.8714% of un-vaccinated are not infected

99.9999% of vaccinated are not hospitalized 99.9975% of un-vaccinated are not hospitalized

99.99996% of vaccinated are not dead 99.99904% of un-vaccinated are not dead

This is such a small difference.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by lamontcg » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

notabee wrote: post #37

Stumbled upon some truly cursed knowledge (if it's true, though I fervently hope not). Imagine a followup pandemic not of more Covid but of neurodegenerative disease from this. Not just in the most severe cases. 1. https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/14174356332121825... 2. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096999611...

> cursed

can we please stop using this stupid word? calling things "cursed" is the opposite of bringing any clarity to the world.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by ixacto » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:46 AM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #34

arpa wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's wrong with masked world? it helps stop the spread of other airborne diseases as well, it filters out (to some extent) the smog, facial recognition software has more trouble, so we regain at least some privacy...

I find it very constricting as well as depressing. Regarding the constriction - the extra insulation causes me to sweat more, fogs up my glasses, and makes it harder to breathe. The depressing bit comes from not being able to see people's faces, smiles, and emotions as easily. It is especially difficult if you have a disability like deafness, where seeing lips is crucial to navigating everyday interactions.

Not sure if I’m on the spectrum or what but it’s horrible trying to read expressions in a masked conversation, as in I can’t.

Masks were not great for mental health, but apparently that doesn’t matter as much as virtue signaling.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:47 AM UTC

ohazi wrote: post #35

colechristensen wrote: post #19

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The masks most people wear basically only diffuse sneezes and coughs which makes immediate droplet transfer lower. A piece of ordinary cloth on your face does not filter smog, does not prevent any airborne infection droplets from reaching you, essentially only lowers the chance of your cough hitting somebody else. You need an N95 or better to really do anything to protect yourself. Also even if you have a high grade…

If you want better filtering, you can always wear a cartridge respirator. They're also much easier to wear correctly -- they're hot, and the sweat on your face creates a seal against the rubber, making it very easy to tell when the seal is or isn't working. I have one that I use when woodworking / sanding / varnishing, and the difference between a respirator and even a good N95 mask is like night and day. You can pul…

> VOCs getting past this N95 mask

VOCs getting past a well-fitting N95 mask is working as intended, isn't it? N95 filters particulates only.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by _Microft » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

throwawaysea wrote: post #47

A couple questions for those who might know: 1. Slide 16 mentions India but the details aren't clear. Is this study's focus on breakthrough cases and spreading of Delta based off data in India? I know India was where Delta originated and that it blindsided them because COVID measures that worked well for previous variants did not work anymore - so does that simply mean that the most data on Delta happens to be in Ind…

The colored bands seem to be semi-transparent, so all can be shown in the same graph instead of having to show an own one for each of them (i.e. it is purely a display problem where the bands overlap).

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by Rd6n6 » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:50 AM UTC

arpa wrote: post #13

vsnf wrote: post #6

Slide 21 >Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the Delta variant Well that's very sad, if not entirely unexpected. How long will we be living in a masked world?

what's wrong with masked world? it helps stop the spread of other airborne diseases as well, it filters out (to some extent) the smog, facial recognition software has more trouble, so we regain at least some privacy...

I read recently in a hn thread that masks have surprisingly little effect on facial recognition accuracy

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by SkyMarshal » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:51 AM UTC

vsnf wrote: post #6

Slide 21 >Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the Delta variant Well that's very sad, if not entirely unexpected. How long will we be living in a masked world?

Asia has been living in a masked world for at least two decades. It's not a major inconvenience, and it doesn't infringe on anyone's freedoms. Westerners really need to stop being such spoiled entitled children about this situation, and cowboy up and do what it takes to eradicate this pandemic.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by kalaido » Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 6:51 AM UTC

arpa wrote: post #13

vsnf wrote: post #6

Slide 21 >Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the Delta variant Well that's very sad, if not entirely unexpected. How long will we be living in a masked world?

what's wrong with masked world? it helps stop the spread of other airborne diseases as well, it filters out (to some extent) the smog, facial recognition software has more trouble, so we regain at least some privacy...

That's so wrong