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Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

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Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Canada’s Business Immigration Program, specifically the investor stream, is a primary cause of the housing crisis, according to Gordon. This “cash for citizenship” program has allowed wealthy individuals (net worth $1.6 million or higher) to come to Canada. https://the-peak.ca/2016/05/vancouvers-housing-crisis-caused...

That program hasn't existed in years.

Doesn't it still exist in Quebec?

Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

#32

I don't think you need to look far to figure out that foreign cash purchases are coming from... foreign rich people who realize that housing is the best long-term investment possible.

Canada, and the USA, need to make buying our land harder, especially for foreigners. In the USA, all it takes to buy a house is money. A wealthy person sitting anywhere can buy a home with a email, and a few clicks, or a phone call. All it takes is money. If a person can't legally live in the home he bought, why are we selling it to them? I know the answer, but don't like it. I don't know of any other country that ma…

New Zealand did that a couple of years ago. House prices continued to skyrocket as if nothing had happened. It's local people who keep buying them and paying through the nose.

Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

#33
post #18

An irrelevant sideshow. If they made housing plentiful and cheap then nobody would buy it for any reason other than shelter.

> If they made housing plentiful and cheap then nobody would buy it for any reason other than shelter

Do you feel that's a bad outcome? The phrasing suggests so, interested in why you feel that way.

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#34
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Should housing be a primary vehicle for investment and the de facto way of making money? Or should it serve as a necessity and basic aspect of life?

How does people investing in housing change how much housing is available? They just rent it out.

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Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

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post #18

An irrelevant sideshow. If they made housing plentiful and cheap then nobody would buy it for any reason other than shelter.

Not realistic. There will always be a constraint on the best locations and zoning laws, typically reinforced by the self-interest of landowners in those locations, apply a further constraint on the density of dwellings in these locations.

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#36

New Zealand has a similar housing problem. House prices are skyrocketing and pricing out young people. A 25-30% rise in the past year has meant few people are saving fast enough to get a deposit. But two or three years ago the govt. banned overseas buyers. There is no reason to suggest the ban is not effective. It even bans non-permanent residents, so plenty of legitimate residents (work visas) can't purchase propert…

I don't know anything about the situation over there but did they really ban it? For example this bloomberg report talks about foreign ownership via holding companies. So are foreigners not able to hold stakes in NZ companies or are NZ companies not able to hold realestate (doubtful?).

Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

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Should housing be a primary vehicle for investment and the de facto way of making money? Or should it serve as a necessity and basic aspect of life?

I heard a message the other day that there's 3 main vehicles of investment: stocks in companies, bonds in governments, and property (owned mostly by banks and a few rich people).

I've been thinking about it ever since, particularly that money usually flows between these 3. The exponential growth required for compound interest to work is only possible in a shortage. Stocks in companies follow a contract-expand business cycle. Governments grow linearly at best. But property has been increasing exponentially due to an increasing population.

I fear the day when companies realise that they'll make more money by starting a war, which would devastate governments and property. Many people of a similar age are getting married and buying houses, but I don't know feel that the future is stable enough to make either of those decisions. The kind of house I'd want now as a single guy is different to a house that would be suitable for kids (in the right school zone), or a house for retirement. I think the only safe investment is philanthropy: give it all away, and if I'm still alive, hope that some of those people I help now will be able to support me in my old age after economic, political, and environmental disasters strike.

Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

#38
This[1] video by ColdFusion talks about a similar problem in the US in which Housing market is now being seen as the next big bet by the Wall Street Firms.

In this scheme, a common man will not be able to buy/own any house but they can only rent it. It will be very similar to SaaS model in which Houses will be provided as a service.

1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu4tC3px6mc

Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

#39
post #26

Surely a role played by Chinese Govt. Why no one talks about that?

Actually CCP is doing everything they can to stop the outflow of money. CCP wants to keep the money inside of China but not very successful. There is no rule of law in China and people with money in China want to put money in place where government can not take it away from them. As CCP tighten control, money will keep flowing out by any mean possible.

Re: Billions in 'unknown' funds flowing into Canada's housing market [video]

#40
post #3

Should housing be a primary vehicle for investment and the de facto way of making money? Or should it serve as a necessity and basic aspect of life?

Investment is a basic aspect of life; housing has been traditionally an investment to earn a living when you retire, whether individually or as part of a pension funds. The problem appears to be the monetary policies of central banks and rampant public debt, and the low interest rates, inflation, and lack of alternative investments that go with it.
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