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Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by bitL »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #210

Facebook seems to be censoring so much because Facebook believes that most people will actually believe whatever bits of misinformation are floating around out there. But is everyone that easily manipulated? More importantly, does everyone actually believe that they can be easily manipulated, or do they just think that everyone else is so easily manipulated, but somehow they're above the fray? And at what point does…

The issue is an increasing infantilization world-wide where some group thinks it needs to "protect the others", assuming they are the single source of truth and that it's obvious they are. It's a well known bias which for some reason aligns with the current zeitgeist. As everything before, it shall too pass at some point.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by wffurr »

gunapologist99 wrote: post #224
wffurr wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is FB "recommending" content and groups and prioritizing the feed. They could just not do that and the problem solves itself. Just show me a time descending list of posts filtered by whatever set of friends I am viewing. Don't recommend groups or friends or content from people or groups I haven't subscribed to. Let me search for groups or friends instead.

The discussion about the algorithmic feed seems to be out of context for this thread (i.e., Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”) I don't believe the problem is facebook recommending anything -- the problem is facebook trying to ban certain content entirely (at least in the context of this thread -- algorithmic feeds are a separate problem.)

No promoting content, no need to flag misinformation.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by codeecan »

afavour wrote: post #217
gunapologist99 wrote: post #210

Facebook seems to be censoring so much because Facebook believes that most people will actually believe whatever bits of misinformation are floating around out there. But is everyone that easily manipulated? More importantly, does everyone actually believe that they can be easily manipulated, or do they just think that everyone else is so easily manipulated, but somehow they're above the fray? And at what point does…

> do they just think that everyone else is so easily manipulated, but somehow they're above the fray? Based on my own anecdotal evidence, it’s exactly this. The people that went down the rabbit hole of QAnon on YouTube are, in their mind, the informed ones. They’re the ones that went out of their way to do the research and the rest of us are just lemmings. Thus, spending hours staring at an algorithmically generated…

If you believe "the vaccine turned people into the Hulk", thats a mental health problem.

But when inconvenient claims, like "vaccines can cause blood clots in rare cases", often flagged as misinformation, you don't instil much confidence with the public.

And so they go out and get information from other sources.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by 13years »

tshaddox wrote: post #187
13years wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is who decides. Once you create a fact checking entity, it will decide for itself what are object truths. Within a fact checking entity you essentially have the same issue as regulatory capture.

> The problem is who decides. The problem is the poorly-considered but extremely widespread epistemology that goes something like "whether a claim is true depends on how convinced certain people are of that claim." > Once you create a fact checking entity, it will decide for itself what are object truths. No, it will just make claims, which may be true or false. There's nothing mysterious or troubling about this. The…

It is exactly what they are doing. You are playing with semantics. The public as well as private companies use the claims as an argument for validation of truth.

The troubling aspect is it comes with some level of authority backing the claims. There are consequences for not aligning with the positions of the claims.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by nafix »

rossdavidh wrote: post #199
nafix wrote: post #138

How should this message from the CDC be interpretted? Why is the CDC removing authorization for this test? This is the CDC post in question: https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert...

If I'm reading the post correctly (and I am no expert in the field), they're saying "this test will be obsolete by end of year, as better tests become available". It was an EULA, which is by intention "we wouldn't approve this so quickly except this is an emergency", so it's not surprising that as better tests were developed they would withdraw the EULA. Given that they were withdrawing it with several months' advanc…

I'm curious as to why there is no transparency from the CDC on why this test is being decommissioned.

Just because there are tests that can do both Influenza and Covid, does not mean that this test would need to be retracted.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by gunapologist99 »

wffurr wrote: post #242
gunapologist99 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The discussion about the algorithmic feed seems to be out of context for this thread (i.e., Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”) I don't believe the problem is facebook recommending anything -- the problem is facebook trying to ban certain content entirely (at least in the context of this thread -- algorithmic feeds are a separate problem.)

No promoting content, no need to flag misinformation.

As others have pointed out, the major social platforms all ban content regardless of reach, and even in private messages.

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by mrobot »

w0m wrote: post #40
cpr wrote: post #7

Let's face it, Big Social Media's "disinformation" label is no more than "things that go against the mainstream narrative" these years.

replace "mainstream narrative" with "X narrative" and you have a point. 'mainstream' is meaningless.

I think i would restrict it to "X narrative, where X is chosen from spectrum of acceptable opinion dictated by appointed board of directors, USA, inc.".

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by TheParkShark »

wffurr wrote: post #242
gunapologist99 wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The discussion about the algorithmic feed seems to be out of context for this thread (i.e., Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”) I don't believe the problem is facebook recommending anything -- the problem is facebook trying to ban certain content entirely (at least in the context of this thread -- algorithmic feeds are a separate problem.)

No promoting content, no need to flag misinformation.

I fully agree with this. It flys in the face of what I have even seen recommend on HN for TikTok. I’ve seen posts saying the algorithm on TikTok is the best and it gives great suggestions. I guess my question to you is, do you think TikTok has a superior algorithm to Facebook/YouTube or is promoting content on any level going to lead to misinformation?

Re: Facebook is now claiming official CDC.gov links are “False Information”

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Post by TheParkShark »

foepys wrote: post #225
gunapologist99 wrote: post #210

Facebook seems to be censoring so much because Facebook believes that most people will actually believe whatever bits of misinformation are floating around out there. But is everyone that easily manipulated? More importantly, does everyone actually believe that they can be easily manipulated, or do they just think that everyone else is so easily manipulated, but somehow they're above the fray? And at what point does…

> FB only works when you and 99% of your social group are on there. You can choose whatever social group you want on social media. The days of physical presence and limited supply of peers are over. Your IRL friends don't believe that the government is made up of lizard people? Go find yourself a Facebook, Telegram, Discord, etc. group, you will find plenty of like-minded people and "proof" there. People can and do s…

I appreciate the use of medium term in this context.
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