Live data from Hacker News

Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

npr.org

571–580 of 722 posts

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve never had a job require me to prove those vaccines to come in.

It's one of those cases where it's required by law, but the law is never enforced. I have applied for visa in multiple countries, attended public schools as well as university, and even had employment contracts specifying current vaccination. I have never had to actually present any of that information. I'm not even sure how I could find it.

Interesting! So I guess the enforcement will only start when it's needed to get rid of some troublemaker. "-The person is causing us grief, what can we do to expel them? -Check their vaccination status, and look for other normally unenforced rules, there's gotta be something!"

I hate selective enforcement of rules / laws.

Edit: fixed typo.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#572
post #478
post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you except for the sentence about virtue signalling and SJW's; no need to bring the entire culture war into it. (In fact I'm usually on the side of those you call SJW's.)

For whatever reason, that’s generally the dividing line for these alternate realities

[deleted]

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#573
post #537

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to pretend this is about "one's medical history" when it's clearly about minimizing risk of harm to others. People need to accept the reality that spreading a disease is causing harm, and that preventing people from causing harm is a core function of the rules of society. Spreading disease is unique- unlike assault or robbery or rape or murder it doesn't require the harmer to intend to cause harm, so many…

> People need to accept the reality that spreading a disease is causing harm, and that preventing people from causing harm is a core function of the rules of society. Mandating vaccines is going a step further - it's forcing people to do an action, which might reduce their chances of causing harm in the future . If the sole goal was to prevent people to cause harm to others, we should prevent people from driving (the…

I was in the same boat as to thinking vaccination should be an individual decision but I have come around to the idea of mandates in the last month.

As far as I can tell there is no reasonable justification for an individual not to get vaccinated unless they are immunocompromised. It is a purely selfish thing to do. Choosing not to get vaccinated is essentially saying that you want everyone else to get the vaccine but not you because there is some infinitesimal risk involved. If you have to choose between the vaccine or covid you would be very irrational to choose covid, so you are essentially saying you want there to be herd immunity without personally taking any actions. It is pure selfishness.

The longer this goes on the clearer the damage and risk have become. If we don't reach herd immunity the economy will shut down again, hundreds of thousands of people will die in our country alone, unknown thousands more will have disabilities, and all of the problems that come along with social distancing will continue. It is a huge waste of life and resources and happiness in return for what?

Meanwhile the vaccine that has already been administered to hundreds of millions of people with virtually no long term negative effects. With a mandate everyone will be much better off, especially those who wouldn't get vaccinated as they are avoiding the much greater risk of the potential damage covid can cause.

My guess is that more companies will follow suit and I applaud it. The VA hospitals were the first and there will be many many more to come. The government wont ever do it so it is left to private businesses. It is becoming clearer and clearer to me that this is the right call.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#575

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID I'm a little confused by this. I live in King County, WA (and I work at Google). According to data reported by the county (as tabulated by the NY Times), one in 19 residents have contracted COVID[0]. That's >5% -- with a 1.8% case fatality rate in the US[1]. That's a bit below a one in 1000 chance of having died of COVID if you live in my county, including…

For a mid twenties healthy male, the risk of death from covid is 1 in 500,000. That is what you're missing.

And you'll be missing reproductive capacity after COVID fucks up your testicles. I swear you people are like societal cancer cells who know you're defective and who are undergoing apoptosis. Don't let us slow you down. I hear seat belt manufacturers are funded by Soros. I suggest you avoid those, too.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then you'll need to homeschool them. This would be fair if the equivalent public school spending for that student were instead given back to parents as a voucher to spend on homeschooling or on a different education provider of their choice with different vaccination requirements. But otherwise there is a financial coercion into divulging health choices or giving up bodily autonomy that doesn’t feel right to me.

I don't understand the concept of fairness when we're talking about something that has killed more Americans than every war since the Civil War combined. I would consider every death caused by the asymptomatic much more unfair than someone having to pay for a charter school for the luxury of being a liability to the general public every time they step outside their home. Every one of us will end up having to pay for…

Obesity has and will kill more than COVID as well. Also, health care spending due to obesity is also extreme.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#578
post #177

Can someone explain the “I won’t get it until it’s fully approved by the FDA” logic to me? Unlike usual vaccine trials, these vaccines have been deployed worldwide with hundreds of millions of people across many different conditions. Europe stopped using some due to an extremely rare blood clotting episode that was tens of people out millions. That suggests that rare, acute side effects have been (mostly?) discovered…

I'm not sure I can explain anything related to the FDA (I'm European) but maybe I can shed some light on the insight what people are worried about. These vaccines have been applied hundreds of million times in the past year, true. Therefore, we have a very good understanding of their adverse effects in the first 6-12 months. What we cannot know, however, are possible adverse effects that are longer term. Susceptibili…

The effects of covid are far from completely understood. We do know that it kills a decent percent of the people infected with it and gives long term symptoms to another relatively large percent. The long term effects are unclear but they are almost certainly much worse than the long term effects of the vaccines.

My question is whether or not it is a rational position that the risk of the vaccine is higher than the risk of getting covid? Is this a conclusion that someone could reasonably come to - that they would rather have covid than be vaccinated?

If the answer to the question is no, I believe mandates from private companies are something that needs to happen as the government will not be able to act.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#579
I can’t find the previous link which discuss this, but does anyone know the repercussions of someone who refuses to get the vaccine? Is that an automatic work from home, or does the company say no, you are returning to the office and you must get vaccinated?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

#580

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, people who has contrarian views are only more entranced upon hearing counter arguments. Though the delta variant clearly shows vaccine works but if you get infected you don't die. Even with infection spikes in France or Spain for example you don't see deaths spike. In the low vaccination countries you see spike in the infections and in deaths.

Your information is not current as of yesterday evening. Of course the most current information is less reliable as is always the case with emerging information. The vaccines efficacy may be waning for protection from severe covid. Of course all of this is down to definitions and denominators. Are we testing all newly identified cases for variants?

I was downvoted but it’s still true. Here’s a layman’s source from this morning (this info is a day or so old at least): https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-to-offer-pfizer-booster-...
Post reply on HN