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Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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I like what Google is doing, but I don't like how it does it. I live in Tunisia, where almost all of my friends and family members uses Facebook. It's important to recognize the right person, because sometimes some friend add you and it's not really your friend. There is also e-militia that browse pages and comment to create false political ideas. These are two problems that needs to be solved.

It's good that Google is making effort on this, but disabling one user account is WRONG. It only happens with Facebook when you spam. Why not create an algorithm and mentor how it works? It's necessary to get this feature now, especially that it's not accurate.

And also, if you are making this feature, make sure you have a stellar support. G+ has just started and blog posts like this will KILL it.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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post #19

I wonder what Google intends on doing with people who simply use a fake name for their Google account/Google+ persona. Will they also get banned/have etheir Google+ accounts disabled? What about people from foreign countries? For example, if someone uses a name that basically means John Doe in a not-so-well-known language, will that also be considered misuse of the G+ service (use of a fake persona) or will it remain…

Cost of a false negative here: nothing.

Cost of a false positive: I suppose Google could lose its hard-won reputation for conscientious individualized customer service.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

#23

I'm not sure I understand the real name policy of either Facebook or Google+. Isn't the whole point of a social graph that it is personally curated by me? The identities of my friends/circles are verified by me.

What if I want to find someone I met ten years ago and have no idea what nickname they have chosen? What about friends of my friends? If one does not agree with the policy—just don't sign up. I find fake names on Facebook really annoying.

What if the person doesn't want you to find them?

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eric Schmidt: The people who built the Internet did not get a stable version of identity; You need identity, in the sense that you are a person, this is who you are these are your friends and so on … The issue on the Internet is not the lack of Facebook, the issue on the Internet is the lack of identity. (from http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/09/eric-schmidt-on-gauging-goo... ) See also http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/h…

Identity is not the same as "name on your birth certificate". Skud's identity is Skud, not Kirrily Roberts. I'm all for having stable identities on social networking services, but that has nothing to do with legal names vs pseudonyms.

I agree that effective identity is about who you can become on the Internet. But there really isn't any middle ground between imposing the name on one's birth certificate and letting people create whatever identity they want - after all, every pseudonym has to begin as anonymous pseudonym and gain connections.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Welcome to what I call Google's vision of an "Orwellian Computing Age". Your every action & communication will be monitored, and your entire digital identity can be deleted by a centralized, seemingly autonomous authority. Better comply with the TOS or you might get yourself "ungoogled".

Why I downvoted you: Objective discussion which leads to new ideas and solutions is generally hampered by name calling and over-generalization, which just leads to "my side is best, your side sucks" ... "no, my side is best, your side sucks". Add in the emotional charge, and people forget to think about what they say before they open their mouths. I think you might have a point lurking in your polemic, like "I am afr…

Well I didn't intend to write an essay proving something's that's fairly obvious. I think Google's intentions look harmless on the surface, but there may be some sinister consequences if they continue down this road. And at the very least, they have a bad PR problem on their hands because I can't be the only one left with a bad taste in my mouth about this corporation.

Google's strategy is to entice you to give up all concept of personal privacy. Yeah, nobody's forcing you to sign up for their services. But since Google gives away it's well engineered products for free, they are purposely making it difficult or impossible to build competing services that are capable of making money. They don't need to even compete in the marketplace based on price because they've adopted a "burn down the forest" strategy that's subsidized by their advertising revenue. Want to develop an online calendar/document editor/spreadsheet system? Better find a way to make it free to compete with Google.

If you want evidence of Google's vision, let's go step by step through Wikipedia's definition of "Orwellian":

  Invasion of personal privacy, either directly physically or indirectly by surveillance.
If you use Gmail, Android, Google Search (all free products), Google will track and process your actions. I don't need to prove anything here, this is their business model.

  State control of its citizens' daily life, as in a "Big Brother" society.
If you were to use every Google service including Android, ChromeOS etc, they would be able to curate every piece of information you consume. This is what the Google Filter Bubble concept pointed out very clearly.

    Official encouragement of policies contributing to the socio-economic disintegration of the family.
(not applicable)

  The adoration of state leaders and their Party.
There was no end of media coverage about Larry Page taking over for Eric Schmidt. And even here on HN there are an awful lot of apologetic Google-fanatics and employees.

  The encouragement of "doublethink", whereby the population must learn to embrace inconsistent concepts without dissent, e.g. giving up liberty for freedom. Similar terms used, are "doublespeak", and "newspeak"
I quite often hear people say "My data is safe with Google", and very clearly this turning out to be wrong.

  The revision of history in the favour of the State's interpretation of it.
Google's censorship cooperation with China was fairly despicable. And they only started changing after they were publicly humiliated by PBS.

  A (generally) dystopian future.
This is somewhat subjective. But I can't think of a better example of dystopia than if Google were to become an even more omnipresent part of the internet than search/advertising.

    The use of euphemism to describe an agency, program or other concept, especially when the name denotes the opposite of what is actually occurring. E.g. a department that wages war is called the "Ministry of Peace" or "Ministry of Defence".
"Don't be evil".

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if I want to find someone I met ten years ago and have no idea what nickname they have chosen? What about friends of my friends? If one does not agree with the policy—just don't sign up. I find fake names on Facebook really annoying.

OK, and what if I want to find someone I met ten years ago, and I have no idea what their real name is because no one ever uses it? A ton of my friends in high school and college went by nicknames the entire time anyone ever interacted with them. I had a good friend in college whom /everyone/ called "C.C." (as in, "see see"): her name was "Corrine", but I don't really know how to spell it and I'm one of the few peopl…

The simple answer is: The internet, and society, does not owe you the right to identify and find anyone you've ever met. People are entitled to their anonymity and privacy.

Just because someone went to school with me, or was buddies with me in school doesn't mean they get to know what I'm up to now or where I am, or even how to get ahold of me.....

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, and what if I want to find someone I met ten years ago, and I have no idea what their real name is because no one ever uses it? A ton of my friends in high school and college went by nicknames the entire time anyone ever interacted with them. I had a good friend in college whom /everyone/ called "C.C." (as in, "see see"): her name was "Corrine", but I don't really know how to spell it and I'm one of the few peopl…

The simple answer is: The internet, and society, does not owe you the right to identify and find anyone you've ever met. People are entitled to their anonymity and privacy. Just because someone went to school with me, or was buddies with me in school doesn't mean they get to know what I'm up to now or where I am, or even how to get ahold of me.....

Well, if you think that, you also are going to be taking issue with rimantas' point as well, so it is kind of a wash. The goal of my response was to show that /if/ you agreed with rimantas (and you don't), then you actually had to support nicknames in addition to real names.

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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post #26
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, and what if I want to find someone I met ten years ago, and I have no idea what their real name is because no one ever uses it? A ton of my friends in high school and college went by nicknames the entire time anyone ever interacted with them. I had a good friend in college whom /everyone/ called "C.C." (as in, "see see"): her name was "Corrine", but I don't really know how to spell it and I'm one of the few peopl…

The simple answer is: The internet, and society, does not owe you the right to identify and find anyone you've ever met. People are entitled to their anonymity and privacy. Just because someone went to school with me, or was buddies with me in school doesn't mean they get to know what I'm up to now or where I am, or even how to get ahold of me.....

That is begging the question. What if the person WANTS you to be able to find them, but they have always gone by a nickname that they can't use because facebook's policies is real-names-only?

Re: I’ve been suspended from Google+

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post #8

I like being able to create new identities for different purposes. Why wouldn't Google+ allow that?

Eric Schmidt: The people who built the Internet did not get a stable version of identity; You need identity, in the sense that you are a person, this is who you are these are your friends and so on … The issue on the Internet is not the lack of Facebook, the issue on the Internet is the lack of identity. (from http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/09/eric-schmidt-on-gauging-goo... ) See also http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/h…

> The issue on the Internet is not the lack of Facebook, the issue on the Internet is the lack of identity.

How would one use PirateBay with a real identity? Or browse porn websites? Or anonymously flirting with people in chat rooms? What's wrong with this Internet?

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