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It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by schwartzworld »

LocalChapter wrote: post #38
crispyambulance wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost…

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one.

It wasn't originally, but you're kidding yourself if you think that it hasn't become one

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by crispyambulance »

nbcfhnb wrote: post #59
icare_1er wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about which, did those "conspiracy theories" (the alt-right killing a cop using fire-extinguisher in the capitol, or Trump being a KGB agent), falls in the category of "misinformation", or is the left somehow excluded from that list ?

Why is this downvoted? Both of the theories this post references were taken up by mainstream sources and both were totally fabrications. The claim about Brian Sicknick was vcompletely fabricated. If you downvoters are unaware, the story about someone dying on Jan 6th via fire extinguisher was a complete lie; the guy actually died of a stroke at home the next day for completely unrelated reasons and was unharmed at th…

It's downvoted because the issue at hand here is NOT "parity" between left and right conspiracy theories.

The issue at hand is that there's a problem with resurgent "alt-right" (or whatever you want to call them) extremist groups that have demonstrated a potential for violence as well as infiltration into trusted organizations like the police. They have taken up new aesthetics, symbologies and memes. It's important for people to recognize these new appearances and what they actually signify.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by crispyambulance »

LocalChapter wrote: post #38
crispyambulance wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost…

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff.

Sure, for a while, until they find themselves in the middle of a crowd of short haired guys holding tiki torches, marching through town and shouting .

"pepe the frog" showing up in weird contexts is part of "the joke". It's funny to them when people misinterpret pepe as something completely different.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by user-the-name »

greatgib wrote: post #47
user-the-name wrote: post #33

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Literally nobody is trying to, or has in any way suggested, "censoring sarcasm". This is a document that describes, accurately, how the far right uses humour. That is a useful thing to document and be aware of when trying to combat radicalisation.

This is the first step: first you put in every policy maker head the idea that there is a problem and that they need to do something about it, then they find "solutions"... Think about how "internet" and "social networks" become "evil" in policy maker heads. Now, everything that is happening is the fault of internet. So, internet has to be censored.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by codyswann »

nbcfhnb wrote: post #59
icare_1er wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about which, did those "conspiracy theories" (the alt-right killing a cop using fire-extinguisher in the capitol, or Trump being a KGB agent), falls in the category of "misinformation", or is the left somehow excluded from that list ?

Why is this downvoted? Both of the theories this post references were taken up by mainstream sources and both were totally fabrications. The claim about Brian Sicknick was vcompletely fabricated. If you downvoters are unaware, the story about someone dying on Jan 6th via fire extinguisher was a complete lie; the guy actually died of a stroke at home the next day for completely unrelated reasons and was unharmed at th…

>> we now know for a fact that this was never the case and the rumors were started by the FBI under direction of Obama

Source?

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by LocalChapter »

schwartzworld wrote: post #61
LocalChapter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. It wasn't originally, but you're kidding yourself if you think that it hasn't become one

Saying it is part of "far-right" (which is the current boogie man) is frequently repeated, yet I never see any actual numbers regarding this. What I usually see is a screenshot of /pol or somewhere similar. It would be like going to /g and finding a meme of Richard Stallman.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by LocalChapter »

crispyambulance wrote: post #63
LocalChapter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. Sure, for a while, until they find themselves in the middle of a crowd of short haired guys holding tiki torches, marching through town and shouting . "pepe the frog" showing up in weird contexts is part of "the joke". It's funny to them when people misinterpret pepe as something completely dif…

I've heard these sort of arguments before. Pretending shitposting is some sort of gateway drug is a nonsense. They will find one person that might have been sucked in out of 1000s.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

the-dude wrote: post #60
greatgib wrote: post #52

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"Help yourself" but take care that the contributions have increased a lot in the last year and i don't find a link in English for 2020 or 2021. (in 2019) https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contrib... (in 2017) https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-... My estimation is that my personal contribution to Europe should be between 500 € to 2000 € a year. Sure, not all money is wasted…

So from your 2017 source ( that is what we have easily available ) : France 'contributed' ~ € 7.5 Billon netto to the EU. Which is something totally different than € 26 Billion. And it still isn't your money.

As I told you, take care, because it raised a lot since 2017.

Here is a link in French, but at least you will have an evolution graph with 2021:

https://www.ifrap.org/europe-et-international/contribution-d...

The other netto of the other link is not "justified", not official documents, but let's suppose it is correct, and that it evolved in proportion, we would be at least, as of today, at 11 Billions NET.

That is still quite a number.

But you don't stop repeating that it is not my money as a French tax payer, can you explicit what you mean? because so far you just say that "as a fact" and it does not make any sense!

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

sofixa wrote: post #54
greatgib wrote: post #49

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It is bullshit, because it is ghost chasing and witch hunting. As said in other comments, the guys are trying to create "a case" from simple and innocent trolling. We have seen that a lot before: - Persons become violent because they played violent video games in their childhood: The proof? Some mass murders played video games. - Messengers/chat are the root cause of terrorism: the proof? Some terrorists used SMS and…

> As said in other comments, the guys are trying to create "a case" from simple and innocent trolling Are you willfully or unwilfully ignorant? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. * "innocent" trolling like 5G/Covid/magical cures conspiracy theories that literally cost lives ? * "innocent" trolling like what resulted in people getting together to try and overturn the latest US presidential elections ? * "innocent…

You confuse the causes and the consequences.

And this is very very dangerous for us, because you are not the only one like that, but a lot of policy maker push for these fake arguments as it is very convenient for them to support their policies.

There was an excellent article in HN that explains why you are wrong:

https://www.cigionline.org/articles/disinformation-its-histo...

(Discussion link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27923933 )

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by davidivadavid »

stuaxo wrote: post #5

This is a good step. A certain green website wasn't always full of racism, this was done deliberately. If you go back further Nick Broomfield did some documentaries in the 90s / early 00s where he went to various white supremacists, even then they were saying their plan was to go mainstream through various tactics, what happened on the green website fits almost exactly with this.

Isn't going mainstream through various tactics the goal of every political movement?
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