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It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by sofixa »

LocalChapter wrote: post #38
crispyambulance wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost…

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff.

You should tell the actual hard right parties like RN, AfD, UKIP and co. that

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by greatgib »

the-dude wrote: post #48
greatgib wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy, France for example contribute around 26 BILLIONS euros to European institutions. It is a shitload of money in my opinion. There are around 70 millions inhabitants in France, only around 18% of households pay income tax. But, in fact, only 10% of the households are contributing for around 70% of the income tax.

Great way to avoid answering the question ( the money which France contributes still is not your money ). And this 26 Billion, is this 'netto' or 'bruto' ?

"Help yourself" but take care that the contributions have increased a lot in the last year and i don't find a link in English for 2020 or 2021.

(in 2019) https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contrib...

(in 2017) https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-...

My estimation is that my personal contribution to Europe should be between 500 € to 2000 € a year.

Sure, not all money is wasted, hopefully, but still if you accumulate all bullshit jobs and reports like this one over a year, this is still a shit load of money that you be put in better usage.

Note: I don't say that all europe jobs and reports are bullshits, are the opposite, a lot of them are quite good, and most of the time of better usage and quality than european national governments in my opinion.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by M2Ys4U »

wrnr wrote: post #7
M2Ys4U wrote: post #3

>This document has been prepared for the European Commission however it reflects the views only of the authors, and the European Commission is not liable for any consequence stemming from the reuse of this publication.

Oh the irony, the commission always says that with every report it payed for, or equity free investment made. It's part of a deliberate strategy of feigning ignorance in order to sidestep any question of its competence or legitimacy.

The title of this submission was changed, originally it did claim that this was the EU's position, which is why I posted that quote.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by sofixa »

greatgib wrote: post #49
tester34 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how's that bullshit? memes have strong power, especially if you can vote them to the front page there has been shitton of them before 2016 election and during Pandemic they were used for both - good and bad. From looking cost efficency perspective memes are insanely good. edit Trump -> 2016

It is bullshit, because it is ghost chasing and witch hunting. As said in other comments, the guys are trying to create "a case" from simple and innocent trolling. We have seen that a lot before: - Persons become violent because they played violent video games in their childhood: The proof? Some mass murders played video games. - Messengers/chat are the root cause of terrorism: the proof? Some terrorists used SMS and…

> As said in other comments, the guys are trying to create "a case" from simple and innocent trolling

Are you willfully or unwilfully ignorant? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

* "innocent" trolling like 5G/Covid/magical cures conspiracy theories that literally cost lives ?

* "innocent" trolling like what resulted in people getting together to try and overturn the latest US presidential elections ?

* "innocent" trolling like what helped drive the point for Brexit ?

It's hard to draw a line between a shithead teenager memeing and an astroturfing or at least organised campaign that brings together terrible things.

Is that innocent trolling as well: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/17/covid-misinfor... ?

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by thefz »

LocalChapter wrote: post #38
crispyambulance wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost…

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one.

Feels Good Man is exactly about this. ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11394182/ )

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by LocalChapter »

sofixa wrote: post #51
LocalChapter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. You should tell the actual hard right parties like RN, AfD, UKIP and co. that

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Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by LocalChapter »

thefz wrote: post #55
LocalChapter wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "hard-right" is normally bored teenage boys that are trolling for laughs and don't actually believe any of this stuff. There is a meme online currently that says "My political opinions are based on who I am trolling". As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. That was misinformation to stir up a moral panic and push for censorship. The Pepe has also been used by Hong Kong protesters, (IIRC) the y…

> As for Pepe being a far-right meme. It never has been one. Feels Good Man is exactly about this. ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11394182/ )

I haven't seen it. Personally I've seen a lot of Pepe's that I've seen posted on Gaming discords was memes about things like bad habits, loneliness etc.

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by wrnr »

sailingparrot wrote: post #18
wrnr wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh the irony, the commission always says that with every report it payed for, or equity free investment made. It's part of a deliberate strategy of feigning ignorance in order to sidestep any question of its competence or legitimacy.

> the commission always says that with every report it payed for Because when you pay for a report, you are asking a group of people for their opinion on the subject, so you can then read the report and get inform and maybe act. So by very definition it is indeed not their opinion, and not that ironic.

Stop fucking over people and denying you do so, is this really too much to ask?

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by nbcfhnb »

icare_1er wrote: post #35
crispyambulance wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's responsible research intended to give police, politicians, and citizens a clue about the new communication techniques of the hard-right. > Thinking of far-right extremism, we might associate this with backward-looking, stiff and formal zealots who act on the fringes of the political spectrum. Yet, the skinhead image has long been overcome and, in fact, also more recent phenomena like the Identitarians have lost…

Talking about which, did those "conspiracy theories" (the alt-right killing a cop using fire-extinguisher in the capitol, or Trump being a KGB agent), falls in the category of "misinformation", or is the left somehow excluded from that list ?

Why is this downvoted? Both of the theories this post references were taken up by mainstream sources and both were totally fabrications. The claim about Brian Sicknick was vcompletely fabricated. If you downvoters are unaware, the story about someone dying on Jan 6th via fire extinguisher was a complete lie; the guy actually died of a stroke at home the next day for completely unrelated reasons and was unharmed at the riot.

And people like Maddow claimed for months if not years that Trump was a Russian agent, and we now know for a fact that this was never the case and the rumors were started by the FBI under direction of Obama (this was at the same time the Obama administration declined to charge Clinton, mind you) based on intel they knew was false, and because of the investigation launched based on justification from the same known-false evidence

God I'm so tired of explaining this, but seriously, the biggest conspiracy theories of the last decade were promulgated on the pages of "trustworthy" traditional media, and all you have to do is look into the news stories after they leave the headlines to find out how things turned out when time passed and reality finally came to light

Re: It’s not funny anymore. Far-right extremists’ use of humour

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Post by the-dude »

greatgib wrote: post #52
the-dude wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great way to avoid answering the question ( the money which France contributes still is not your money ). And this 26 Billion, is this 'netto' or 'bruto' ?

"Help yourself" but take care that the contributions have increased a lot in the last year and i don't find a link in English for 2020 or 2021. (in 2019) https://www.statista.com/statistics/316691/eu-budget-contrib... (in 2017) https://www.statista.com/chart/18794/net-contributors-to-eu-... My estimation is that my personal contribution to Europe should be between 500 € to 2000 € a year. Sure, not all money is wasted…

So from your 2017 source ( that is what we have easily available ) :

France 'contributed' ~ € 7.5 Billon netto to the EU.

Which is something totally different than € 26 Billion. And it still isn't your money.

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