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Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

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Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#31
A huge number of developers at Amazon and Google are clapping their hands with glee when the read this…. It’s their jobs to get exactly this outcome. They’ll show your post to the boss to lock in their bonus.

This is the prime purpose of these gigantic companies. Of course it works like that.

The smartest software developers in the world dedicate their working lives to advertising.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#32
post #25

As for the search in question: instead of "best commuter bikes for under $500", do yourself a favor and buy a beater bike for $100-200. The comfort is the same if not higher, but you stop thinking about your bike at all, and if someone steals it you buy another one next day without shedding a tear. My favorite ones are by fahrradmanufaktur, very solid, a new one will cost you a few thousand bucks, but after 5-7 years…

I really was clueless at the time and figured it would take at least $400-500 to get a decent starter bike. Thankfully I wound up coming across a used bicycle sale in Brooklyn shortly after and picked up an old Giant for $150. Have probably done a couple of thousand miles on it since!

We have a small used bike shop nearby, damn great value for money! Bought a used Merida MTB for my so and a Bergamot each for my daughter and myself. Condition is close to new, cost in total 800 bucks, some smaller repairs included.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#33
post #7

I add “site:reddit.com” to consumer/product related Google searches. This usually gets me the quality information I’m looking for.

I guess many people do that, but it shows the review system failed miserably when you look for quality information on reddit. I mean, in theory, reddit would have all kinds of noise and fake opinions, whereas Amazon etc. should have only verified and curated reviews, including methodologies for spotting abuse and procedures for manual verification. Well, the economics of scale that drives them insane profits is also…

Reddit is always going to be better. Niche subs are where actual experts who've tried entire ranges of products hang out, amazon is where one random guy bought their first crappy product and left a 5 star review because they don't actually know whether what they bought is good or not.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#34

I would argue that google is being used incorrectly here. Google is specially being asked for a product list which meets a certain criteria. The user is asking Google to recommend the best bikes.. The user is actually looking for authoritative bicycle reviews to make a purchasing decision. Searching for “bicycle reviews” would give a far higher chance of finding what the user is after. They can then use the criteria…

> Searching for “bicycle reviews” would give a far higher chance of finding what the user is after.

Nope. Google will still give you dumb reviews pages full of “Check price on Amazon” affiliate links. What works for me is adding “site:reddit.com” or “forum” to search.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#35
post #3

I could say that affiliate marketing in general... wirecutter - NYT has a whole site and twitter feed for their "deals" with affiliate links

The Wirecutter has been accused of changing their recommendations based on their ability to monetise product links as an affiliate: https://www.xdesk.com/wirecutter-standing-desk-review-pay-to...

Wirecutter doesn’t do reviews of “the best x,” they do reviews of “the best x that can be purchased via an online store that offers adequate referral revenue to Wirecutter”

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#36
First world problem really. Also people look for deals hence in this example a second hand bike is purchased. There is no 'title' with bicycles and anything second hand bought off someone you don't know has to be assumed to be stolen. The market for second hand bikes encourages bike theft.

There are plenty of very good new bikes at almost all price points and the guy in the local bike shop can show you three bikes suited to your size, your use case and your budget.

Docking about online doing your research is all very interesting but the guy in the bike shop will help you just fine without you being an armchair expert.

No point ranting on about Amazon you just have to get away from the screen and get to the bike shop.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#37

I think search is broken full stop for any search in the form "Best X in/for/under Y" - there are too many low quality sites publishing 'list' articles, which just link to items for sale that offer them affiliate commission. For the example of "bikes under $500" it's often better to do a google news search to get magazine/newspaper articles where they are more likely to have done actual reviews.

Totally agree, I've been impressed with how effective adding "-intitle:best" to a Google search is at filtering out SEO-gaming fluff

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#38
> I think the answer is because it’s not in their best interest to do so. They like that most consumers will look at these reviews, click through to Amazon and make their purchase with little hesitation.

I don't understand the logic here. Why exactly would Google want people to thoughlessly click on Amazon affiliate links from other sites? There's no short-term beneft, since they don't get a cut. And there's no long-term benefit, since it just risks teaching people to go straight to Amazon for commercial searches.

Re: Amazon has ruined search and Google is in on it

#40

I believe both search and affiliate programs have flaws... but I didn't see anything that convinced me this is some conspiracy between the companies. I also don't have a problem with affiliate programs. If someone posts links that are relevant to the topic at hand, there is little harm in them getting a few cents from a purchase I would have made anyway. If anything, it is funding content creation in a way that works…

> If anything, it is funding content creation in a way that works.

Affiliate programs distort content, to the point of being useless, or justify making of outright fake content.

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