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Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

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Three reasons: 1) They have hundreds of millions of cars sold already with cameras that they can up-sell this to. That means more revenue. But more importantly, more training data. Massive amounts of it. Training data is the real value here. Radar/lidar/etc. might be able to detect better what is obvious to a human just looking at a thing. But given enough training data, a machine learning can probably replicate that…

For #1: wouldn't more sensors be even better for training? If vision does not pick up an object like a human, but lidar detects a human sized object, the vision portion of the model can 'learn' from it's mistakes. The other two sound like good reasons though

Except that would kind of invalidate all the training data they've gathered for the last years which does not have data for these sensors. That would be a major setback and might take years to fix. Probably they started ignoring the radar sensor content quite some time ago when they realized they did not need it. They never had any lidar.

Obstacle detection with lidar/radar is only interesting if you assume that object avoidance is a problem with camera based obstacle detection right now. There are lots of incidents with Teslas but I don't recall them running over pedestrians or crashing into vehicles a lot. Mostly incidents are about misinterpreting visual signals; not about crashing into stuff. If anything, their safety statistics are pretty good when autopilot is on. The cars still do dangerous/illegal/misguided things due to misinterpreting of traffic situations but it's then smart enough to get the driver out of trouble before bad things happen.

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

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> knowing where the moon is happens to be an extremely solved problem. It's true... but I don't think that's how Tesla would solve it. Their goal is to create a neural network "driver" which can drive in any place even if it has never seen it before. They'd rather teach their neural network that the moon and stoplights are not to be confused visually. Thought I suppose in searching for training examples they could us…

I would have looked at that as a stretch goal, and very stretching at it. Because I won't need very soon an autopilot to take me through the woods, especially if it's that trustworthy as it feels to be. I'd be happy to have one to drive reliably highway and wake me up when we're in close range from destination.

Well that’s what Tesla is doing. The current system can drive itself on highways and they are pushing to create a system capable of driving on all roads.

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

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Radar and Lidar perhaps, being based on reflection of radio waves/laser off surfaces.

Radar isn't sensitive enough. LIDAR is.

I suspect both would have been able to tell that the moon isn't a traffic light.
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