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Public link to paper: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1... But how do we make politicians aware of the seriousness?

"politicians"? What about all of us? Climate change deniers are evil and crazy people, but even the rest of us, who admit it's real, still have to change our behaviors.

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So, what item, that mr. Johnny Average uses daily, will now be banned (or made more expensive, by having to use barely "recyclable" materials), while nothing will be done about huge industries, and other countries that pollute a lot more? We,ve forbidden plastic bags and replaced them with reusable bags, which contain more plastic, or with cotton ones, tha thave to be reused 20.000times, to make it worth it, compared…

Hopefully policy makers will target both consumers and industry in order to tackle this crisis.

Otherwise when we’re talking to our kids, and they’re asking us what we did to stop the climate crisis, all we’ll be able to say is ‘Child, I gave up unlimited free plastic bags for you, what more could I have done?’

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What makes this group of scientists and their warning more legitimate than these previous “imminent tipping points” https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca...

It's been thirty years the IPCC is warning humanity about this. Should be about time to listen, nah?

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So, what item, that mr. Johnny Average uses daily, will now be banned (or made more expensive, by having to use barely "recyclable" materials), while nothing will be done about huge industries, and other countries that pollute a lot more? We,ve forbidden plastic bags and replaced them with reusable bags, which contain more plastic, or with cotton ones, tha thave to be reused 20.000times, to make it worth it, compared…

Plastic bag charge is to prevent fly tipping / littering more than anything else. It definitely encourages bag re-use, including for plastic bags.

“Ban” is probably the wrong word. It’s really an artificial price floor of about 5c.

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What makes this group of scientists and their warning more legitimate than these previous “imminent tipping points” https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca...

Comparing a few dozen cherry-picked headlines over 30+ years to a specific warning by 14,000 scientists is hardly apples to apples.

Also, CEI claims the ozone hole was climate alarmism and nothing bad actually happened, but that’s because scientists warned us and we took action. Even the chart CEI cites shows the hole stopped growing and leveled off. But apparently because it didn’t disappear completely, our actions were futile?

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So, what item, that mr. Johnny Average uses daily, will now be banned (or made more expensive, by having to use barely "recyclable" materials), while nothing will be done about huge industries, and other countries that pollute a lot more? We,ve forbidden plastic bags and replaced them with reusable bags, which contain more plastic, or with cotton ones, tha thave to be reused 20.000times, to make it worth it, compared…

Hopefully policy makers will target both consumers and industry in order to tackle this crisis. Otherwise when we’re talking to our kids, and they’re asking us what we did to stop the climate crisis, all we’ll be able to say is ‘Child, I gave up unlimited free plastic bags for you, what more could I have done?’

I think the point is so far action has been limited to token actions (such as the ridiculous straw thing) targeted at consumers, and no real action targeted at companies.

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What makes this group of scientists and their warning more legitimate than these previous “imminent tipping points” https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-poca...

I didn't expect climate change denialism and the most base and idiotic and tabloid-tier cherry picking of facts, here on hn.

Re: Thousands of scientists warn climate tipping points ‘imminent’

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Public link to paper: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1... But how do we make politicians aware of the seriousness?

> But how do we make politicians aware of the seriousness?

Don't you think they ought to be very much aware by now? And probably they are, but are either unwilling or unable to affect true change. Unwilling because it is insufficiently in their own interest, and unable because those unwilling and their friends wield too much power. Making things move very, very slowly, at a glacial pace.

Re: Thousands of scientists warn climate tipping points ‘imminent’

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So, what item, that mr. Johnny Average uses daily, will now be banned (or made more expensive, by having to use barely "recyclable" materials), while nothing will be done about huge industries, and other countries that pollute a lot more? We,ve forbidden plastic bags and replaced them with reusable bags, which contain more plastic, or with cotton ones, tha thave to be reused 20.000times, to make it worth it, compared…

>while nothing will be done about huge industries

But Johnny Average is what all those huge industries are ultimately there for. It all leads to production of goods for the people.

Also, straws, plastic bags etc are actually a different issue. Those are about plastic pollution and have little to do with climate change.

Also also, plastic pollution is not as big of an apparent problem in the West. Who knows with microplastic contamination though. We might be doing lead pipes 2.0.

Re: Thousands of scientists warn climate tipping points ‘imminent’

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The best way to stop global warning is through intervention by Central Banks. We need to create monetary policy which promotes incentives such as green energy and carbon capture technology. We also need to focus on improving battery technology to store excess energy for later use.

We need to introduce innovation permits to restrict who is allowed to work on green tech so that we don't waste effort reinventing the wheel. We need to bring all the top green energy minds under one roof with one director at the top who has a PhD and a proven track record of success at raising capital.

The key to innovation is to reduce competition and increase collaboration. With such focus, it's critical that we don't put the wrong people in a position of power. We need a solid proven track record in academia, politics and/or business - The only way to do this is by looking at the financial track record. The stock market is the only mechanism which we can trust for ranking top people. Mediocre people who can't achieve success in such easy economic times should not occupy positions of power. If they can't make it during such easy fiscally expansionary times, how will they perform during hard times?

We need better leaders with a proven track record and top credentials from top universities.

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