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Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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> A Gameloft employee, who asked not to be named, said a clause in their contracts allowed for a "reasonable amount" of unpaid overtime. why is that kind of language allowed at all in contracts?

Really, I had this in my contracts a lot as well (Germany).

I tend to accept it if it's rare (like - release work with some pressure, for a limited time). But - it was a learning curve for me.

When I started my first 'real' job I was constantly working overtime (10-12 hours, daily), no compensation (and a low salary). I sold myself far too low - but at that time it didn't occur to me. Evil team dynamics can make this even harder: IF someone from our team decided that 22:00 is late enough and packed up, we'd half-jokingly complain about him being on half-time. In retrospect, this idiotic behavior just helped our employer to milk more time (not really work, I'd argue.. Productivity goes down fast after a while) out of us.

My last contract again included this clause, but I grew up and learned to say no, leave if I'm tired and turn off my mobile. If you're no jerk about it I'd expect it to work flawlessly. Of course your employer would love to see you work more for less/the same. And he certainly is free to ask me to 'do this one thing'.

And I can always decline, and do so most of the time now.

Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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Or 3. Call the bastards on their bad behavior so other programmers think twice before applying. There's nothing wrong with outing a company that treats their employees like expendables. The gaming industry's had a bad reputation for horrid working conditions for some time. Maybe it's time to wake up.

I don't think it's wrong to go public, but going to the department of labor seems backwards. I'm not familiar with the laws there, but I don't see how this could be regulated outside of a collectively bargained union contract? Edit: I'd like to see a response behind these downvotes. As a business owner and employee, I'm confused.

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Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or 3. Call the bastards on their bad behavior so other programmers think twice before applying. There's nothing wrong with outing a company that treats their employees like expendables. The gaming industry's had a bad reputation for horrid working conditions for some time. Maybe it's time to wake up.

I don't think it's wrong to go public, but going to the department of labor seems backwards. I'm not familiar with the laws there, but I don't see how this could be regulated outside of a collectively bargained union contract? Edit: I'd like to see a response behind these downvotes. As a business owner and employee, I'm confused.

What? I'm not sure where you live, but the vaste majority of countries/states/territories/whatever have laws that protect employees with respect to working hours.

Your remark is so odd to me, I feel like I either completely misunderstood it or you live in a very sad place.

edit: What you are saying to me sounds like "It's odd that you called the police because someone shot you; I really don't see how this could be resolved except for forming a vigilante group"

Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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"A spokesman said legislation did not stipulate the maximum number of hours an employee could work (..)"

Really? Is this common/normal? A problem only in that (IT) sector? What about other professions (I assume medical personal, public transportation drivers etc. at least have rules for that)?

This is one of these eye-opening moments where something I took for granted (my bad, I guess) is realigned with reality.

Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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"A spokesman said legislation did not stipulate the maximum number of hours an employee could work (..)" Really? Is this common/normal? A problem only in that (IT) sector? What about other professions (I assume medical personal, public transportation drivers etc. at least have rules for that)? This is one of these eye-opening moments where something I took for granted (my bad, I guess) is realigned with reality.

Some simple research into NZ law brings up a fairly well organized page about the minimum rights: http://www.dol.govt.nz/er/minimumrights/index.asp

Of interest, the Break entitlements doesn't cover anything relevant. However, the Health & Safety section seems relevant (IANAL) and then there's this beauty: http://www.dol.govt.nz/er/starting/relationships/goodfaith.a...

Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's wrong to go public, but going to the department of labor seems backwards. I'm not familiar with the laws there, but I don't see how this could be regulated outside of a collectively bargained union contract? Edit: I'd like to see a response behind these downvotes. As a business owner and employee, I'm confused.

What? I'm not sure where you live, but the vaste majority of countries/states/territories/whatever have laws that protect employees with respect to working hours. Your remark is so odd to me, I feel like I either completely misunderstood it or you live in a very sad place. edit: What you are saying to me sounds like "It's odd that you called the police because someone shot you; I really don't see how this could be re…

The objection is that people should be able to voluntarily interact in any way they see fit. If they want to work lots of hours then there is nothing wrong with this.

This is very different than being shot, which is a violation of someones rights.

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"A spokesman said legislation did not stipulate the maximum number of hours an employee could work (..)" Really? Is this common/normal? A problem only in that (IT) sector? What about other professions (I assume medical personal, public transportation drivers etc. at least have rules for that)? This is one of these eye-opening moments where something I took for granted (my bad, I guess) is realigned with reality.

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Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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> A Gameloft employee, who asked not to be named, said a clause in their contracts allowed for a "reasonable amount" of unpaid overtime. why is that kind of language allowed at all in contracts?

Why does a contract ever provide for unpaid overtime?

Surely overtime is necessary once in a while to match a deadline. However, having a modest premium on it is an easy way of ensuring the amount of the overtime will remain reasonable.

Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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What? I'm not sure where you live, but the vaste majority of countries/states/territories/whatever have laws that protect employees with respect to working hours. Your remark is so odd to me, I feel like I either completely misunderstood it or you live in a very sad place. edit: What you are saying to me sounds like "It's odd that you called the police because someone shot you; I really don't see how this could be re…

The objection is that people should be able to voluntarily interact in any way they see fit. If they want to work lots of hours then there is nothing wrong with this. This is very different than being shot, which is a violation of someones rights.

A couple points. First, some of the labour laws that I've seen actually _explicitly_ forbid such agreements because they are afraid it'll lead to abuse...kinda like "agree to work a 20 hour shift or you're fired." The strictest I've seen for this is around minimum wage and minimum vacation time. Simply, there are some rights you can't give away because it would too easily lead to people taking them away.

Secondly, sleep is a basic human right. It's possible that you just take it for granted.

Re: Long hours and zombie-like employees at Gameloft Auckland

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's wrong to go public, but going to the department of labor seems backwards. I'm not familiar with the laws there, but I don't see how this could be regulated outside of a collectively bargained union contract? Edit: I'd like to see a response behind these downvotes. As a business owner and employee, I'm confused.

What? I'm not sure where you live, but the vaste majority of countries/states/territories/whatever have laws that protect employees with respect to working hours. Your remark is so odd to me, I feel like I either completely misunderstood it or you live in a very sad place. edit: What you are saying to me sounds like "It's odd that you called the police because someone shot you; I really don't see how this could be re…

Comparing this to getting shot is a little dramatic don't you think?

Again, I'll go to my original point, which is that if you don't like the hours your employer has asked you to work in exchange for the salary that they are paying, then find a new job. I see no need for regulation here, especially in our industry, where there are more jobs than people.

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