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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

boulos wrote: post #207
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #198

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Your explanation is completely correct as far as I can tell, but you can see how someone who's unfamiliar with the details might be skeptical. "You're telling me the FDA already knows the vaccine is safe and effective, and they're just keeping it a secret for 6 months because the rules say so?"

Absolutely. But I honestly was (am) hoping to hear it from someone who personally holds the opinion, because I think we’re all missing something (replies so far don’t include anyone saying that’s what they’re waiting for). I have plenty of my own speculation, assumptions, and anecdotes, but my hope is that someone pops up with an interesting nugget of “actually, EUA ”.

Fingers crossed for you, but I think it's one of those things where the people who think that way are overwhelmingly unlikely to be interested in arguing about it on the Internet. I know I would have bounced right out of this comments section if I were even slightly less extreme in my pro-vaccine views.

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Post by imwillofficial »

dwaltrip wrote: post #130
nomoreplease wrote: post #116

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I’m not sure why you’re downvoted, this is an accurate depiction. The vaccine does not prevent infection/transmission, despite lay people commonly believing it does.

Link please?

https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/white-house-aide-nancy-pelosi-...

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Post by ngc248 »

colechristensen wrote: post #169
rualca wrote: post #145

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> No “papers please” to allow me to participate in normal society where the group in power gets to decide if I’m acceptable. What are your thoughts on individuals contracting and spreading a disease that has killed millions already due to their refusal to comply with the most basic health and safety precautions? Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence ove…

One has to believe at some point that liberty is worth a certain amount of risk. >Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence over my and my family and loved one's desire to not die of a preventable disease? Did you and your family get vaccinated? What unvaccinated people do does not affect your risk profile in any meaningful way. Are your kids too young to g…

>>> One has to believe at some point that liberty is worth a certain amount of risk.

Others will be taking a risk for your liberty, that is where it becomes unacceptable.

We live in a society and individual freedoms must be balanced by the responsibilities towards your fellow man.

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Post by Pozzuh »

adamors wrote: post #205
nomoreplease wrote: post #118

Current research shows that the previously infected’s antibodies are equal-to or better than the vaccine. So previously infected should be sufficient, yet I expect these companies not to care about that

Then how are multiple infections possible? I know several people who have been sick with COVID 2 times already.

This is anecdotal. There are people getting infected (and even sick) whilst being vaccinated as well. The vast majority of people however, are not.

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Post by imwillofficial »

raverbashing wrote: post #204
imwillofficial wrote: post #64

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As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.

"The overall vaccine effectiveness against transmission was 88.5%." https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v...

This of course, does not include the new and improved delta variant.

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Post by imwillofficial »

target8123 wrote: post #143
imwillofficial wrote: post #64

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As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.

they are not same because vaccinated are less likely to be infected and hence less likely to spread disease. every vaccinated person is 40% less likely of getting infected compared to unvaccinated. so if a person goes to office with vaccine mandate, they are 64% less likely of getting infected compared to no vaccine mandate.

This does not take into account the delta variant, and also viral load levels.

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Post by simondotau »

nindalf wrote: post #184

I’ve typed out 3 comments to 3 separate people before deleting them. I didn’t see the point. Folks, it’s a good idea to heed dang’s warning at the top of the thread. I’ve read all the comments and can confidently say there’s nothing worth reading here. Just people absolutely convinced of their ideas and principles, shouting past each other. Nothing we haven’t seen on this topic 50 times before. You’re better off goin…

As someone who also started reading the comments in this thread, I can wholeheartedly second this.

Remember, nobody is going to change their mind on this issue because of a perfectly worded response in an internet discussion. If you want to change anyone's mind, focus on the people you can speak to in the real world—and have a conversation filled with love and respect. Fear of vaccination is a powerful meme which cannot be countered by deriding the people who are sincerely captured by it. Instead, I suggest you walk them through the statistics and place them into human terms and human context. Show them how to calculate risk of death. Show them how to calculate risk of long term injury.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by boulos »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #211
boulos wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. But I honestly was (am) hoping to hear it from someone who personally holds the opinion, because I think we’re all missing something (replies so far don’t include anyone saying that’s what they’re waiting for). I have plenty of my own speculation, assumptions, and anecdotes, but my hope is that someone pops up with an interesting nugget of “actually, EUA ”.

Fingers crossed for you, but I think it's one of those things where the people who think that way are overwhelmingly unlikely to be interested in arguing about it on the Internet. I know I would have bounced right out of this comments section if I were even slightly less extreme in my pro-vaccine views.

Yeah, I figured it was worth a chance.

Fwiw, multiple companies mentioned they would also move to require vaccination once it’s no longer EUA. I should have included that in my original framing.

To me, that sounds more like “once the government gives us more cover, we’ll do it”. But that doesn’t tell me “who would be convinced after this milestone, but not with the current data? What changes?”.

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Post by avh02 »

colechristensen wrote: post #171
random314 wrote: post #155

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Imagine being asked to show a driver's license before renting a car!

Last I checked, I didn't need a license to go outside or buy a coffee. That's the future I want to avoid, you want the screaming majority to dictate if you're allowed to do anything outside your home, go ahead and continue to advocate social control with this metaphor.

> Last I checked, I didn't need a license to go outside or buy a coffee

What I heard though is you may get carded to buy alcohol.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by n_io »

n_io wrote: post #174
standardUser wrote: post #96

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"This is as much about calling out heretics as it is about health" No, you're wrong, this is about saving lives. Around 300 people died today from a disease that we can stop. 300 more will die tomorrow. Are there perhaps others sub-agendas that some people are pushing under the cover of the pandemic? Yes, obviously, just like with literally every other catastrophe. But the primary agenda is stopping a preventable dis…

About 1800 people died today from another disease we can stop… But it’s all fine because obesity is as American as apple pie. https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Thanks for all the downvotes. Guess this one runs too deep for some people… not enough abstraction. Hypocrites.
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