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Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#52
post #31

Why it doesn't just calculate moon's position given current date, time of day and coordinates?

And what if the moon is not visible but there's a traffic light where the moon should be?

True, but at least it's got another data point it can consider. Without knowledge of moon's position, any traffic light could be the moon.

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#53

So if I buy a truck and paint a big traffic light on its back and maybe even put a red light there I will be fooling all Teslas? Count me in! Edit: this also reminds me of those Road Runner episodes where Road Runner paints a rock wall like it's the continuation of the road so that Coyote can smack his head on it.

An even harder case: https://futurism.com/the-byte/tesla-autopilot-bamboozled-tru...

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#54

The moon appears white/grey. Traffic lights are red, green, or yellow. Seems easy enough to make a distinction. Additionally the relative size of the moon in the sky does not change.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_eclipse#Lunar_eclipse_ap...

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#55
post #18

This is a problem with learning the appropriate context. In the case of a yellow traffic light, there should be a traffic light fixture and two other (unlit) lights. Without this context, it becomes apparent the yellow pixels in a circular shape (representation to the network) are not a traffic light at all. Tesla’s vision/ml systems are amazing. I would love to learn more about how unit testing for this type of erro…

There was another video of a Tesla being confused by a truck carrying traffic lights on the truck bed. I do like the idea of what Waymo does, which is to run their model through a virtual world to see how it performs. It's amusing to imagine each of these edge cases being added in as they are encountered.

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#56

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Which of the above would solve this problem?

LIDAR. You'd be able to tell there's no object anywhere near the car and disregard the light.

Unless it's hanging from a cable https://www.masterfile.com/image/en/700-08743685. But then, it could be a streetlight so only vision can solve this problem https://www.123rf.com/photo_2753272_hanging-street-lamp.html

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#58

Why it doesn't just calculate moon's position given current date, time of day and coordinates?

Yeah, this is what I do when I drive. Otherwise I think it's a traffic light and I panic.

:) That's exactly what Teslas do currently.

Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#59
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which of the above would solve this problem?

Lidar could make this false prediction less likely. That said, the computer vision is still far from human level. It lacks a common sense around how the world works.

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Re: Tesla auto-pilot keeps confusing moon with traffic light then slowing down

#60
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure cost cutting at expense of safety certainly.

Humans do fine with only 2 cameras

*And a brain that outclasses anything Tesla could currently put into their vehicles by numerous orders of magnitude.
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