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Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by estebank »

mrhands69 wrote: post #131
estebank wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone can take the vaccine. Which is why everyone that can, should , for everyone's sake.

What's the percentage of the population in the United States that can't get vaccinated for health reasons?

People with allergies and pregnant can get the vaccine for the most part, but because I can't find relevant numbers, lets say (incorrectly) that anyone with a food allergy can't get the vaccines: that'd be 32 million people (https://www.aafa.org/allergy-facts/).

~60 million are With the demographic numbers and the (admittedly terrible proxy of) allergy numbers, 86 million people wouldn't be vaccinated (~25%). With a 0.2% percent fatality rate, we are talking about 170,000 deaths if all of them get infected.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by [deleted] »

estebank wrote: post #134
briefcomment wrote: post #125

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Ah yes, as soon as the world stops cultivating peanuts to accommodate my lethal (and heritable) peanut allergy. It should be a no brainer after all, with the nearly infinite other foods we have available as substitutes.

Do you feel like prevalent labeling and stringent segregation policies in food handling to accommodate you aren't equivalent? And if someone's dish sends you into anaphylaxis at a dinner party, the host won't be going "Shouldn't have come then! I refuse to live in peanut-fear!".

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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by swader999 »

mnowicki wrote: post #55
Panther34543 wrote: post #11

In summary: A.) Pfizer is raking in over $33 billion from vaccine sales. B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. C.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may lose your job[0]. D.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may be barred from normal everyday social activities[1][2]. I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfort…

yeah, I'm very far from being right-wing or anti-vaccine or anything like that, but I've been unsettled by this whole thing. I don't think there are microchips in the vaccine, and it's probably a good idea to get the vaccine, but this level of control + lack of responsibility is a perfect recipe for negligence-caused disaster. Or even intentional disaster. Plus it seems quite a bit like it could be one of those slipp…

The censorship and limiting of discussion in the public square is the most troubling aspect of this to me.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by estebank »

briefcomment wrote: post #139
estebank wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> B. If one doesn’t take the vaccine, one’s chances of dying or being disabled for years or permanently are much higher. >But for a young person with no co-morbidities, that chance is still basically 0%. According to table "COVID-19 Fatality Rate by AGE:" at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se... , the mortality rate for everyone under 40 years of age is 0.2%. That "is basically 0", but mean…

From your cdc link, it looks like less than 10k people have died in the under 40 age bracket. Am I looking at the right data? Also, are you aware you can be exposed to the virus and not be infected?

> From your cdc link, it looks like less than 10k people have died in the under 40 age bracket. Am I looking at the right data?

I added every age group between 0 and 39, but took the incorrect column (Deaths from all causes, which is obviously incorrect), which puts me off by an order of magnitude.

> Also, are you aware you can be exposed to the virus and not be infected?

That is true, like with any virus it is a statistics game. It is also true that the Delta variant is 1000x more virulent/transmissible, so likelihood of infection is much higher today than a year ago.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by swader999 »

mnowicki wrote: post #108
notheretoo wrote: post #38

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You’re right - this gated world didn’t need to happen. Sure would have been nice if American scenarists and eco health didn’t continue gain of function research after it was outlawed in the us. So uh what about this? https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/10/21-1427_article If it’s true the vax causes antibody dependent enhancement and that YOU, as the individual who took the experimental therapy, is producing higher v…

I know most reasonable people disagree with this persons views, but why are they getting downvoted? They made a reasonable point and provided a source from the CDC. I'd much rather see a rebuttal than downvotes and no response. Definitely gave me something to think about - not about to become anti-vax or anything but not worth instantly writing off either. For me the bottom line is that the vaccine is proven to preve…

I'm just happy we can post a plurality of ideas and get called out when they aren't valid here. Unfortunately this format is a dying one on many other platforms.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by 627467 »

spfzero wrote: post #117
Someone1234 wrote: post #71

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> B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. I feel like (B) is true, but framed in such a way to get a specific [negative] reaction. People hurt by any COVID-19 vaccine are still entitled to compensation for that injury. Essentially the US Government provides a liability shield, wherein the damages/liability is transferred to…

I guess the negative part is that the people developing the vaccine can be a little bit less conservative with their design, since they have no incentive to be extra careful to avoid expensive lawsuits.

...and I believe that's part of the point of the Act itself: free up reluctances from those in better position to be able to come up with a solution. This is the same reason why everywhere in the world the vaccines have been approved for use under Emergency Use rules.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by loceng »

myko wrote: post #84
loceng wrote: post #14

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This same conversation has been trying to be had for existing medication Ivermectin, except little money to be made with it so the industry has been suppressing it and dismissing it nudging government institutions, who seem to rely on what pharma says, to also dismiss/ignore it.

Actually, no, there just isn't evidence that ivermectin (or hydroxychloroquine before it) are effective at combatting COVID-19. There is a lot of evidence that the vaccines are good at combatting COVID-19 though. https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-shoul... Where did you first hear about using this drug to combat COVID-19, and did they describe the mechanism by which this parasite killing drug woul…

What's your source refuting all of these studies - c19ivermectin.com ?

+ Ivermectin mechanism: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016635422....

Quick Google search finds that.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by makomk »

estebank wrote: post #141
mrhands69 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the percentage of the population in the United States that can't get vaccinated for health reasons?

People with allergies and pregnant can get the vaccine for the most part, but because I can't find relevant numbers, lets say (incorrectly) that anyone with a food allergy can't get the vaccines: that'd be 32 million people ( https://www.aafa.org/allergy-facts/ ). ~60 million are With the demographic numbers and the (admittedly terrible proxy of) allergy numbers, 86 million people wouldn't be vaccinated (~25%). With…

As I understand it, pretty much the only people who aren't eligible for vaccination in the US are those who've had an allergic reaction to a previous dose of the vaccine or one of its ingredients specifically and under-12s, though there are some additional observation requirements for people with a history of certain other allergic reactions. The former is quite a small group and children are at really low risk: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-only-0-005-of-covid-infe...

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by heisenbit »

I'm having serious problem with this sort of reporting and Reuters should do better.

Focusing on sales data is not helpful for vaccine and it would be better to look at doses / patients treated to measure impact.

Sales without looking at expenses are meaningless. Whatever one believes there is a huge cost to this ramp-up. Everything was expedited, expenses secondary.

The cost structure and the risk / reward discussion is required as this is anything but free market. Almost all contracts were involving governments and unusual terms. Typical expenses for drugs like marketing and trials were only to a small part paid by the company.

The rollout of the primary vaccine is still ongoing. If a booster is found to be desirable then it will require similar production capabilities as the vaccine. The sooner this is know the better and the more cost effective this capacity can be ramped up.

Without sufficient planning we may see a conflict of third world vaccines competing with first world booster for production capacity.

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Post by pengaru »

s5300 wrote: post #101

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