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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by Panther34543 » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:14 PM UTC

In summary: A.) Pfizer is raking in over $33 billion from vaccine sales. B.) Due to the PREP Act, they are completely immune from lawsuits arising from any form of complications arising from those vaccines. C.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may lose your job[0]. D.) If you don't take this vaccine, you may be barred from normal everyday social activities[1][2].

I can't be the only one who is incredibly uncomfortable about society going down this path.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27986160 [1]: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-widens-green-pass... [2]: https://www.sfchronicle.com/food/restaurants/article/San-Fra...

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by lmilcin » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

ohmyblock wrote: post #2

Pfizer shouldn't be allowed to state publicly their opinion on this. Huge conflict of interests

I fully disagree. This is important topic and they definitely have first hand expert knowledge.

It is up to us (meaning our governments) to require proper documentation for this and make our own minds based on it.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

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Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by loceng » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

superkuh wrote: post #5

It's obvious we need booster vaccinations. But not another intramuscular that only seeps in serum IgG antibodies into the lower lungs. The levels of antibodies in the upper respiratory mucosa are never very high and drop rapidly. Viral infection of the mucosa and shedding still occurs. We need operation warp speed type money for funding the two good intranasal sars-cov-2 vaccine trials going on right now and to start…

This same conversation has been trying to be had for existing medication Ivermectin, except little money to be made with it so the industry has been suppressing it and dismissing it nudging government institutions, who seem to rely on what pharma says, to also dismiss/ignore it.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by verst » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:15 PM UTC

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #4

xutopia wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so?

There is a strong economic incentive to press for recurring boosters.

And unfortunately too many news outlets are reporting whatever Pfizer says as if it were the CDC or impartial scientists when that clearly is not the case.

Pfizer worked on boosters before the emergence of the Delta virus and already started pushing for the use of boosters when there was little evidence of significant benefits.

It would be great if the news stopped parroting the Pfizer press office.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by fakedang » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

swader999 wrote: post #9

Party might be ending for Pfizer if this early report plays out as stated and data shows viral blood titers are being found to have higher loads in the vaccinated vs non vaxxed. It would suggest the worst nightmare for a vaccine, ADE could be happening. From NBC Twitter: New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously und…

As one of the tweets responding to that asked, where's the study? All I see is a media man trying to do media man things.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by beachy » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

Anti-vaxxers are setting the stage for enormous profits for big pharma by creating the conditions for breeding new variants that will require more big pharma to combat them.

I feel my grandkids will grow up in a world quite different from mine, where travel and experiences will be gated and limited by fear of contagious disease. That sucks and didn't need to happen.

Thought experiment for anti-vaxxers - what if there was technology that could scan the virus particles coming into your body, and the ones coming out, and identify whether you - yes YOU - were the person responsible for creating a new variant?

What if more technology could then detect that the dangerous variant that you incubated had wafted out of your nostrils and into the body of your elderly neighbor, killing her?

With your alleged focus on self responsibility, would you take your punishment if you personally were responsible for thousands of deaths?

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by selimthegrim » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

swader999 wrote: post #9

Party might be ending for Pfizer if this early report plays out as stated and data shows viral blood titers are being found to have higher loads in the vaccinated vs non vaxxed. It would suggest the worst nightmare for a vaccine, ADE could be happening. From NBC Twitter: New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously und…

If it was ADE wouldn't they be suffering acuter symptoms?

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by gowld » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:16 PM UTC

swader999 wrote: post #9

Party might be ending for Pfizer if this early report plays out as stated and data shows viral blood titers are being found to have higher loads in the vaccinated vs non vaxxed. It would suggest the worst nightmare for a vaccine, ADE could be happening. From NBC Twitter: New data suggests that fully vaccinated individuals are not just contracting COVID, but could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously und…

What does it mean to compare "loads" of "viral titers"?

What is ADE?

How does this square with the fact that the disease is making non-vaccinated people far more ill at far higher rates than vaccinated?

The tweet says that vaccinated folks "could be carrying higher levels of virus than previously understood", not higher levels than unvaccinated individuals.

Re: Pfizer says 2021 Covid-19 vaccine sales to top $33.5 bln, sees need for boosters

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Post by standardUser » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:17 PM UTC

superkuh wrote: post #5

It's obvious we need booster vaccinations. But not another intramuscular that only seeps in serum IgG antibodies into the lower lungs. The levels of antibodies in the upper respiratory mucosa are never very high and drop rapidly. Viral infection of the mucosa and shedding still occurs. We need operation warp speed type money for funding the two good intranasal sars-cov-2 vaccine trials going on right now and to start…

It is not obvious we need booster vaccinations. There's simply not enough data yet to call this "obvious". Even "likely" is a stretch. Time will tell how long effective immunity lasts, but we absolutely do not know that number yet.

EDIT: To be fair, it is at least likely that high-risk individuals may need boosters. Israel is already distributing them. But the idea that we will need an annual COVID shot, or that most people will need any additional shots at all, is entirely speculative. The annual shot idea is especially dubious because I think people infer this from the flu, which mutates far more rapidly than this coronavirus.