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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#31

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I'm vaccinated and I personally don't care if others choose not to do it.

Why? Aren’t you worried that a patchily vaccinated population still provides a good (possibly even better) breeding ground for new variants?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#32
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Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

Have we had any other mRNA based vaccines in the past? (genuinely curious)

This is the first one that has been approved in any capacity by a regulatory authority:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_vaccine#Acceleration

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#34
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Where Google goes, I expect the rest of the tech companies (including companies that just fancy themselves as tech companies) to follow. This is that moment when everyone is reminded of "at will" employment.

Tech companies won't move in lockstep on this. Battle for talent is too intense, not many companies can call shots like this like Google can. Some companies will be glad to differentiate to try and attract Googlers that do not want to return to the office, that do not want to be vaccinated (tho I think the number of tech workers that are not vax'd is small)

I agree, I suspect that very few Googlers will be unvaxxed and that trying to identify these individuals and poach them will be tough. Not a good look if other tech companies are specifically bringing in non-vaccinated employees. Might create issues with current employees.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#35
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Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

Are there any human vaccines in history that are based on mRNA?

1) Get the JnJ one then?

2) Do you have any evidence to suggest a risk with the mRNA delivery vehicle? If so, what is that risk and why will it materialize in some unknown amount of time instead of after someone gets the vaccine?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#36
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They are not tested long term.

Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

> Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

Yes [1]

*EDIT* - People are being pedantic saying it's not a vaccine while technically true it was a government approved medication that had horrific side effects discovered after approval. This is why people are wary about taking a vaccine still under approval as 'emergency use'. And also ridiculous to force employees back into an office and also require them to be injected with something they may not wish to. Just let them work from home if they choose to not get vaccinated with am emergency approval drug.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#37
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I too think it's great when an employer with all the power forces employees to submit to medical procedures against their will in order to continue earning a living. My body my choice, right? Wow, I've never gotten a comment flagged in my years of being here, let alone within minutes! Good to see this a fruitful unbiased discussion forum.

Yes, your body your choice, and also your employer your choice. I prefer to flip the script here: none of your coworkers chose to be subjected to someone who is unvaccinated, increasing their risk.

What other characteristics is it ok to use to determine who can earn a living or not?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#38

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

My only issue is with this line: >> employees could continue working from home through Oct. 18. I agree that they should mandate vaccines for in office. But if they do so, I don't think they should force people into the office.

"Mandate" means something very different when performed by a private employer than by a government entity. In the former case it means something like "make continued employment conditional upon." Google employees are perfectly free to decide they're no longer satisfied with the conditions of their employment and find new jobs elsewhere instead.

Edited to add: In terms of whether Google "should" do so, I assume they've thought through the trade-off of increased attrition vs. reduced risk of COVID outbreaks (among other factors) and decided that allowing unvaccinated people to either go back to the office or work remotely would be a net negative for the company.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

#40
post #16

Where Google goes, I expect the rest of the tech companies (including companies that just fancy themselves as tech companies) to follow. This is that moment when everyone is reminded of "at will" employment.

Tech companies won't move in lockstep on this. Battle for talent is too intense, not many companies can call shots like this like Google can. Some companies will be glad to differentiate to try and attract Googlers that do not want to return to the office, that do not want to be vaccinated (tho I think the number of tech workers that are not vax'd is small)

I would be totally fine with employers aggregating themselves into vaccine mandatory and vaccine optional categories so I can avoid the latter. Just don’t mess around and be something you’re not putting my life in risk.
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