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Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by astura » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

veemjeem wrote: post #15

hanoz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not tested long term.

Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

No.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...

>When new vaccines are released, the unknown side effects, if any, show up within two months of vaccination. This history goes back to at least the 1960s with the oral polio vaccine and examples continue through today.

Beyond that you have to look at this in context - the probability of being harmed by COVID-19 vaccine (including long term) vs the probability of being harmed by a COVID-19 infection (including long term). The vaccine have the lower probability of harm by a very large magnitude.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by nevir » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

veemjeem wrote: post #15

hanoz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not tested long term.

Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

Have we had any other mRNA based vaccines in the past? (genuinely curious)

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by aaomidi » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

jakebasile wrote: post #13

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I too think it's great when an employer with all the power forces employees to submit to medical procedures against their will in order to continue earning a living. My body my choice, right? Wow, I've never gotten a comment flagged in my years of being here, let alone within minutes! Good to see this a fruitful unbiased discussion forum.

This is what happens when you fetishize corporatism and jail and silence people who have been critical of capitalism.

Would people be up to seize the means of production now? Or would we still keep arguing that companies can do whatever they want?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by some-guy » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

jakebasile wrote: post #13

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I too think it's great when an employer with all the power forces employees to submit to medical procedures against their will in order to continue earning a living. My body my choice, right? Wow, I've never gotten a comment flagged in my years of being here, let alone within minutes! Good to see this a fruitful unbiased discussion forum.

Their company, their choice.

As an employee, I would very much enjoy the freedom _from_ COVID-19.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by halfjoking » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

All WHO approved vaccines?

I'm thinking of leaving the country to try to get an inactive virus vaccine. I don't let anyone else run RNA code in my cells. The attack surface is too large.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by ericmay » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

hanoz wrote: post #10

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

They are not tested long term.

Sure they are. The kinks in vaccines have been worked out.

And if you wanted to think about it more rationally, why would you opt for a more likely and proven scenario of COVID-19 illness and perhaps "long COVID" instead of an unproven speculative issue that there is no evidence for and there is no hypothesis to even generate evidence for?

What will happen in "the long term" and how are you going to get evidence for this and weigh it against the risk of illness from COVID-19?

And let's say there was some big thing that happened. Whatever that is - well, we'd all be in it together. hundreds of millions in the U.S. alone, which means whatever bad thing you're imagining happen would happen to pretty much everyone, which, like COVID-19, means a global search for a cure for whatever thing you think would happen.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by aaomidi » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

nevir wrote: post #22

veemjeem wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

Have we had any other mRNA based vaccines in the past? (genuinely curious)

There are vaccines you can get that aren't mRNA based.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by ollien » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

jakebasile wrote: post #13

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I too think it's great when an employer with all the power forces employees to submit to medical procedures against their will in order to continue earning a living. My body my choice, right? Wow, I've never gotten a comment flagged in my years of being here, let alone within minutes! Good to see this a fruitful unbiased discussion forum.

Yes, your body your choice, and also your employer your choice.

I prefer to flip the script here: none of your coworkers chose to be subjected to someone who is unvaccinated, increasing their risk.

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by azangru » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:30 PM UTC

veemjeem wrote: post #15

hanoz wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not tested long term.

Are there any vaccines in history that have caused something unexpected 10 years from injection?

Are there any human vaccines in history that are based on mRNA?

Re: Google Offices to Mandate Vaccines

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Post by hereforphone » Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:31 PM UTC

Whatarethese wrote: post #2

Good. Its time to stop messing around with this. The vaccines are tested and are safe.

I have taken both shots. But I wouldn't call them "safe", as they are young and approved under emergency guidelines. They are probably safe, but nobody knows that right now.