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High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States

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Re: High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States

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Post by bradlys »

colechristensen wrote: post #74
hellotomyrars wrote: post #59

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Why not just bring your own? Like, serious question. I didn't do it until I had to but I can fit more crap in my own bags, and they're not going to break on me when I carry them up the stairs. Its kind of just better.

Because I don't want to have a collection of wadded up bags with me at all times? I don't know ahead of time how many bags I might need. Bags always seem to get dirty in one way or another. The amount of carbon dioxide I exhale from being a living human while shopping is roughly the same as the shopping bags would emit if I burned them when I got home from the store. (which is much much less than if I drive even a sh…

Confused - are you saying that you go to the grocery store on an impulse and those impulses are never from home? (Where one would store the bags) And maybe you’re saying you just walk to the store - you don’t own a car or live very close - so you couldn’t even store the bags anywhere that would be convenient for use?

I’d understand if that’s the viewpoint but this sounds a bit contrived. I find bringing my bags is same or less effort as dealing with the ones I have to get rid of at the end of the trip plus the tax included. And I hate throwing away things that are single use when I could easily use something that doesn’t have that lifecycle.

Re: High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States

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Post by philipkglass »

mlindner wrote: post #50
onion2k wrote: post #12

Previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27954946 The top comment explains why this is probably a good thing.

And the response explains why that comment is wrong: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27957381

The response cites a table showing that desktop PCs sold after 2021-07-01 must consume no more than 75 kilowatt hours per year (base rate, with adders allowed for some features). 75 kWh/year is only 8.6 watts of continuous power draw. Even a basic budget desktop will drastically exceed 8.6 W if it's on continuously with significant load, like running folding@home. Since practically every desktop computer can draw more than 8.6 watts and sales of only a few computer models are restricted, I conclude that the restrictions are not about power consumption in the fully active state.

Re: High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States

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Post by Bancakes »

chroem- wrote: post #90
Bancakes wrote: post #88

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Shorting a market is not commerce but thanks for LARPing.

Destroying the environment to promote violence and toxic masculinity isn't entertainment.

Videogames don't promote violence or toxic masculinity in any way. It's just pixels on a screen you click buttons to. You're overthinking.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

leereeves wrote: post #95
Dylan16807 wrote: post #64

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The exact math was off, but high end gaming PCs are still not being banned.

The important dispute isn't about the calculations, but whether the limits only apply to sleep mode (as claimed by the first comment) or also to yearly maximum power consumption (and thus to power consumption during active use).

If they applied to active use it would effectively outlaw computers entirely. That interpretation doesn't make sense.

There's some uncertainty with various forms of idle and sleep but that's a much smaller worry.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Bancakes wrote: post #87
SilverRed wrote: post #69

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This is for prebuilt machines. Seems pretty easy to test. Turn the thing on, put it in sleep mode, then record the power draw from the PC PSU. Monitors are not included.

You'll see the Dieselgate of PCs. It's very efficient and underclocked while being tested, but when a customer registers the product with the website, the driver app installs the normal performance profiles.

If the computer can easily underclock when idle... why stop doing that?

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Post by Bancakes »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #105
Bancakes wrote: post #87

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You'll see the Dieselgate of PCs. It's very efficient and underclocked while being tested, but when a customer registers the product with the website, the driver app installs the normal performance profiles.

If the computer can easily underclock when idle... why stop doing that?

Because "idle" is not well defined for manufacturers. For instance, core parking is a thing.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Bancakes wrote: post #106
Dylan16807 wrote: post #105

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If the computer can easily underclock when idle... why stop doing that?

Because "idle" is not well defined for manufacturers. For instance, core parking is a thing.

As long as it's trying to trigger on idle, I don't see how it would ever cause me a problem. If the CPU load is sufficiently low for cores to park, then let them.

If you want to disable core parking when not idle, that's fine, but it wouldn't even affect the measurements taken by this law.

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Post by chroem- »

Bancakes wrote: post #103
chroem- wrote: post #90

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Destroying the environment to promote violence and toxic masculinity isn't entertainment.

Videogames don't promote violence or toxic masculinity in any way. It's just pixels on a screen you click buttons to. You're overthinking.

I couldn't disagree more. There are clear links between gaming violence and far right terrorism: all of the white incel mass shooters have been avid gamers. These games are practically training camps for right wing terrorists.

Re: High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States

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Post by SilverRed »

tapland wrote: post #100
SilverRed wrote: post #69

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This is for prebuilt machines. Seems pretty easy to test. Turn the thing on, put it in sleep mode, then record the power draw from the PC PSU. Monitors are not included.

Record and compare to what? I was asking how it was determined, but it seems you read half of a proper explanation?

Compared to the regulation stating it may not use more than 11w while suspended.

Re: High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States

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Post by SilverRed »

Bancakes wrote: post #106
Dylan16807 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the computer can easily underclock when idle... why stop doing that?

Because "idle" is not well defined for manufacturers. For instance, core parking is a thing.

Idle is pretty well defined. It's when you close the lid of the laptop or hit suspend. The CPU stops running entirely and ram is given some power to persist data.
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