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Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by minikites »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #62
_v7gu wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Avoid political threads. Coupled with the new catchphrase "everything is political", this is quite impossible to do.

everything is political Can't stand this phrase that literally came out of nowhere. People will try and justify it with walls of text about the oppressed, blah blah, when it's just an excuse for them to chide you about why you're wrong and why this issue intersects with their politics.

Name a subject or domain that involves people which isn't "political".

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by gwking »

Tenoke wrote: post #111
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the downvote brigading is getting more frequent. Just look at the recent threads where a submission was flagged and you will see a ton of them. Unfortunately, HN isn't showing the data behind quantities but due to the oscillations we see, there are definitely significant amounts of downvoting occuring.

Submission flagging is the main place it happens and I personally wish HN will not treat flagging as downvotes, or would just call it downvotes, or would have some sort of penalty for obvious cases of mis-flagging.

FWIW every time I have ever flagged something on HN it’s been a fat finger mistake on mobile. Probably a drop in the bucket but worth considering that the signal is still polluted even with perfectly good faith user behavior.

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by jolux »

BEEdwards wrote: post #115
brightball wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It’s very out of the norm on HN. On Reddit though, it’s the standard.

In the default subs sure, but if you're subscribed to those shitholes you get what you get.

Every sub has its sacred cows that you can’t question. It just takes a while to figure them out sometimes.

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by robertwt7 »

Downvote is unwelcoming for newcomer, create possibility for toxic environment, and useless

See downvotes in stackoverflow and reddit. Why not flag instead? I’ve seen many people being afraid to get downvoted that they finally back off from posting question

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #93
dahart wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you have a lot more fear and assumption than experience here. In reality, crazy unfair downvote bombing is not even close to the norm here in my ~decade of experience. What makes you certain that someone with multiple accounts has downvoted you? Are you sure you weren’t just wrong and didn’t know it? I’ve been wrong in good faith and gotten fairly downvoted for it far, far more often than I’ve been unf…

I think the downvote brigading is getting more frequent. Just look at the recent threads where a submission was flagged and you will see a ton of them. Unfortunately, HN isn't showing the data behind quantities but due to the oscillations we see, there are definitely significant amounts of downvoting occuring.

It happens to me whenever I say something critical of any given specific country. USA, China, Russia, I get hammered with downvotes and flags. Make a positive comment, hammered with upvotes. It's frustrating.

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by travisgriggs »

crazy_horse wrote: post #21

I've been in academia for awhile, I'm used to getting serious criticism. I'm a man, my whole life I've been told to toughen up. There's really almost nothing you can say to me that is going to hurt me. I really mean it. But downvotes? I pretty much won't post on HN or Reddit because of them (and the culture associated with it). I've got no problem being wrong, but when I spend a significant amount of time trying to r…

I upvoted you for this.

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by fidesomnes »

gus_massa wrote: post #32
crazy_horse wrote: post #21

I've been in academia for awhile, I'm used to getting serious criticism. I'm a man, my whole life I've been told to toughen up. There's really almost nothing you can say to me that is going to hurt me. I really mean it. But downvotes? I pretty much won't post on HN or Reddit because of them (and the culture associated with it). I've got no problem being wrong, but when I spend a significant amount of time trying to r…

> then someone comes along with their four accounts and downvotes every comment I got In HN you can send an email to the mods so they can take a look. Also the site may detect it automatically (the details are unclear, it's part of the secret sauce). > because I'm not sufficiently ideological Avoid political threads. Everyone is talking pass each other, and you will not convince anyone. Upvote grey comments if they a…

> Avoid political threads.

Everything is political in the cultural total war that is modern leftism including the weather, Google search results, twitter censorship, forest fires, dildos, wedding cakes, and the family members of journalists your side doesn't like. Only one outcome is tolerated and we all know what side that is.

Re: Please Bring Back Our Downvotes: Society Desperately Needs It

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Post by fuzzylightbulb »

likeafox wrote: post #33

> Reddit moderators who run subreddits are given the choice to allow the function. When it’s enabled, it’s used as a filter to sort out divisive posts from the rest but also leads to problems like abuse based on opinions and introducing a feeling of negativity into the communities. Just want to clarify this: reddit inc. doesn't really offer communities a way to "disable" downvoting. The subreddits referenced at the l…

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