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France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Hm: "long period of uncertainty began on 31 May 2010, when she stabbed her left thumb with a curved forceps while cleaning a cryostat—a machine that can cut tissues at very low temperatures—that she used to slice brain sections from transgenic mice infected with a sheep-adapted form of BSE . She pierced two layers of latex gloves and drew blood" Later in the article: ""We conduct research only on mouse-adapted sheep…

"infect" is not the right word. Prions are not viruses, they do not replicate, they ravage other proteins in their surroundings by misfolding them over and over again until it becomes a fatal pathology.

Don't prions reproduce by re-folding other proteins to match themselves?

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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> Jaumain’s family has filed both criminal charges and an administrative suit against INRAE, alleging a range of problems at Jaumain’s lab. She had not been trained in handling dangerous prions or responding to accidents and did not wear both metal mesh and surgical gloves, as she was supposed to, says Julien Bensimhon, the family’s lawyer. The thumb should have been soaked in a bleach solution immediately, which did…

> Why does every lab have to be shut down for 3 months?

Auditing everyone and their processes takes a while.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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post #31

Hm: "long period of uncertainty began on 31 May 2010, when she stabbed her left thumb with a curved forceps while cleaning a cryostat—a machine that can cut tissues at very low temperatures—that she used to slice brain sections from transgenic mice infected with a sheep-adapted form of BSE . She pierced two layers of latex gloves and drew blood" Later in the article: ""We conduct research only on mouse-adapted sheep…

"infect" is not the right word. Prions are not viruses, they do not replicate, they ravage other proteins in their surroundings by misfolding them over and over again until it becomes a fatal pathology.

Infect is definitely the right word here.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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post #35

Has there been any research on Prions as a bio-terrorism weapon? It sounds like you could infect thousands/millions and have a close to 100% death-rate without anyone noticing until many years after the contamination started. Imaging contaminating food/drinking water with the Prion which causes Kuru [1] for example. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

if you want to kill lots people thats pretty much the worst way of doing it.

The definition of terrorism is "inciting fear", not necessarily "kill thousands". A million people afraid if they caught BSE/cow madness is definitely hitting that definition, especially as the stuff can't be tested for... people exposed to prions will have that sword hanging over their neck for the rest of their lives, and the affected area will be out of order for years.

To this day, many countries ban all people who lived in the UK between 1980-1996 from donating blood (https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/bse-nachwirkungen-blut-spend...) simply because of that fear.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are going to stop studying so they can start studying the issue? Ah well, this is the level of ‘science’ we’ve come to expect in the pandemic.

No, they're gonna stop studying until they have reviewed all the security protocols regarding the handling of prions, and this, nationwide.

They want to make sure that disease did not come from other places than the lab, which would be a concern to the general public. However unlikely, it's a possibility that has to be eliminated.

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's "effective" mean in this context? The anthrax letters in the US in 2001 certainly dominated news cycles.

And killed very few people. That's what we call terrorism (lots of news coverage for very few deaths) - it's not effective in doing anything but news cycles.

>it's not effective in doing anything but news cycles.

That's literally the desired effect. What you're thiking of is war.

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"infect" is not the right word. Prions are not viruses, they do not replicate, they ravage other proteins in their surroundings by misfolding them over and over again until it becomes a fatal pathology.

Don't prions reproduce by re-folding other proteins to match themselves?

Infection means contamination / spoilage.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/infection

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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> Jaumain’s family has filed both criminal charges and an administrative suit against INRAE, alleging a range of problems at Jaumain’s lab. She had not been trained in handling dangerous prions or responding to accidents and did not wear both metal mesh and surgical gloves, as she was supposed to, says Julien Bensimhon, the family’s lawyer. The thumb should have been soaked in a bleach solution immediately, which did…

> Why does every lab have to be shut down for 3 months? Auditing everyone and their processes takes a while.

Why would you audit processes when the allegation is that someone got infected because she wasn't following the processes?

Re: France issues moratorium on prion research after fatal brain disease strikes

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Hm: "long period of uncertainty began on 31 May 2010, when she stabbed her left thumb with a curved forceps while cleaning a cryostat—a machine that can cut tissues at very low temperatures—that she used to slice brain sections from transgenic mice infected with a sheep-adapted form of BSE . She pierced two layers of latex gloves and drew blood" Later in the article: ""We conduct research only on mouse-adapted sheep…

“Never been shown to” is the kind of false speak I keep hearing from the government and media. Just because you’ve never tried it doesn’t mean you have shown something.

There is a difference between "never been shown to" and "shown to never".
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