I really like Webflow and I think it's amazing for build marketing pages for startup but they lack features for CMS, Multilanguage and layout reutilization. I hope Bubble will innovate on this.
Webflow has CMS now: https://webflow.com/cms
No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
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#172We keep doing this, every time with the same outcome.
Madness, isn't it?
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#173I look at No-Code the same way I look at Canva — one can create powerful designs in Canva that were once the exclusive domain of expert photoshop/illustrator designers. It does not replace them but reduces the barriers to entry for others which is a fantastic thing! There are many ideas that can be set free and realized with No-Code platforms that otherwise wouldn’t due to the difficulty. I say this as a software engineer. No-code won’t necessarily replace us but it will elevate the game.
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#174Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…
> Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? It's a basic error of attribution. We need complex systems, and we build them typically by text source, which is the most efficient way of coding a system (as we've found over the decades). Because the source looks arcane to an untrained eye, people attribute the complexity to the form of the code: text source…
This is an excellent comment, I love how you phrase it. I've had people (even on HN) get angry at me when I suggest that we do have a wonderful visual/graphical was to write software: text. Text is a graphical representation of ideas. One that, as you point out, has been honed over hundreds of years for expressing ideas, and decades for expressing code.
Text is so amazingly intuitive that don't even think of it as graphical, but it is. As you also point out, the reason it looks complex is because software is complex.
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#175What's the difference between no/low-code and just an application? Most of these just seem like a solidly built application that allows users to do complex things. MS Word is a no-code application to generate documents, Photoshop is a no-code application to generate images, Chrome is a no-code application to explore the web.
"no-code" just seems like a marketing term.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#176Conceptually, it can't work for general use cases.
I hope the investors realise this.
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#177I like the idea of "no-code boot camps". — Will there be no-code CS studies, as well?
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#178Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…
Visual Basic was incredibly successful. From VB3 adding database support until VB6-ish started integrating with .NET, 10s of millions of developers built applications that you've just never heard of. What killed RAD tools was the web, not them being a failure.
> until VB6-ish started integrating with .NET
Minor nitpick :)
VB6 never had tooling to integrate with .NET.
Rather, .NET could provide an "interop" layer to allow you to consume components written in VB6, or just COM in general. You can also create COM visible components written in .NET that could be consumed by VB6 or even scripting languages such as VB script. But the tooling for that was delivered through the .NET SDK/VS.
But on your other point, you're right, there are probably a bazillion unknown VB apps out there still chugging along doing their one thing for a specific department or company.
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#179What's the difference between no/low-code and just an application? Most of these just seem like a solidly built application that allows users to do complex things. MS Word is a no-code application to generate documents, Photoshop is a no-code application to generate images, Chrome is a no-code application to explore the web. "no-code" just seems like a marketing term.
As far as I can tell, "no code" just means you can create automation workflows with a visual editor, "low code" means you have some extension points that support scripting. The terms only make sense in the context of automation I think.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's frustrating. Especially now that I'm nearing 15 years as a professional coder, I already spend less and less time typing and more thinking and working on different views on the problem. Typing or reading text is not difficult!
This touches on the real issue here -- the assumption that, somehow, the logic gets easier to understand if it's in diagrams instead of text. Text is the arguably the best way to reason about logic, since there are millions of people wo do nothing else but read text-code all day, me included. All you do with no-code programming is outsourcing writing the actual code to some other company, who already did all the work…
> Text is the arguably the best way to reason about logic
Math used to be written in prose. Arguably symbols are better.
I think feedback systems are a good example of where diagrams are nice.