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I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Some people like things. Some people don't like things. Can we just accept that different people are different and move on?

Sounds reasonable but in practice it's a bit disingenuous to say that as the status quo is still that office is the default, often for no good reason.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

#22
post #9

Some people like things. Some people don't like things. Can we just accept that different people are different and move on?

The problem becomes when one group unilaterally attempts to force an [arguably bad for certain demographics and teams] choice without giving options. The way I see it the problem is that if you let people choose (no matter what, including 100% office or 100% remote), then it's fine.

Agreed.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

#24
“ The company kept saying we will be more productive at the office. That's the opposite of what I am seeing. My team is now taking longer for cards, and the amount of time wasted in the office is ridiculous. The number of people, mindless walking around, chit-chatting in cubicles, going out for lunch/ coffee breaks just to fill in the time is a joke”

You mean congregating like actual people. Not making snacks in your “private upstairs kitchen” and eating them in your pajamas?

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

#26

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

Why should your preferences dictate what other people do? What makes your preference for having people in the office more important than their preference to want to work from home?

You think you're being witty but you're using the exact same argument that the people are using to force people back into the office.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

#27

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

Why should your preferences dictate what other people do? What makes your preference for having people in the office more important than their preference to want to work from home?

Why should the people preferring to work from home get preference, either?

At the end of the day, like it or not, the majority of people working for a company of beyond a small size are going to be in some level of a collaborative environment. Logistically, it's easier to accomplish that in person. No dropped calls or poor connections or VPN drops or whatever.

As an engineer, I sympathize with the poster. When I need to focus and get something done, I'm generally happier at home with either fewer distractions or more of the distractions under my control. I also like my privacy and loathe the feeling of someone. looking over my shoulder. I'm so very sensitive to motion in my periphery and find movement around me distracting, too. But, I also value the in person communication and collaboration I get in person.

Personally, I'm looking forward to heading back part time, especially considering that the "new normal" appears to be about a 50/50 split between home and office.

Of course, everyone is going to have their own preference, but the company you work for (and your coworkers) will have theirs as well. But, if someone's attitude is "my way or the highway" they as well start looking for a new job, because they'll need one regardless...

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

#28

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

Why should your preferences dictate what other people do? What makes your preference for having people in the office more important than their preference to want to work from home?

Own preference (whatever that is) is always more important than other preference.

If you don't think your own preference is important then don't complain when other dictate the outcome.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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post #23

The saddest thing is the people giving him a hard time for "being entitled". How fucked have our mindsets been by decades of anti-union, anti-worker propoganda, elevating CEOs to philosopher-kings, that people argue for their own bondage?

There is no bondage but if you dont like the job, quit dont complain about it.
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