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No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by jonas21 »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #14
whall6 wrote: post #6

If you need to go through a boot camp to be able to use it, why not just learn to code?

That is how I often feel about cloud providers like AWS. If you have to invest most of your time in becoming an AWS pro in order use it correctly, why not just learn how to build out a cloud using open standards.. at least that way you actually learned something useful, and not just a vendor solution that serves little purpose outside of its locked-in ecosystem.

This comment is right on the line where I can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by runawaybottle »

arthurcolle wrote: post #11
animalgonzales wrote: post #2

wtf they want people who know coffeescript https://bubble.io/job?jid=4377554002

I'll have you know that CoffeeScript is still widely used! \s cries in legacy code

Coffeescript already had a lot of the features we use in es6, and one can argue it’s terser. What’s the misery about? Sounds like you guys were ahead of the curve.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by nexuist »

ipnon wrote: post #4

What's the next 10x technological innovation for no code? What would it take to remove programming from web development? Bubble seems excellent, but it is in a competitive field.

Declarative goal based development. You type in English what you want the application to do, and some developer tool generates thousands of variants (maybe through a genetic algorithm?) until you reach a design and functionality you're comfortable shipping.

At a certain point we should be able to declaratively describe entire businesses, and have the computer work with vendors and other people online to carry out business processes while we macro-manage it from a bird's eye view.

Something that could probably make lots of people very rich is a tool that allows anyone to start a SaaS within a few hours or days rather than months or years.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by ironmagma »

vosper wrote: post #13
arthurcolle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll have you know that CoffeeScript is still widely used! \s cries in legacy code

I'm right there with ya cries in not even Coffee version 2 . One day maybe it'll be a lucrative niche for contractor legacy-maintenance warriors. That'll happen before I convince senior management that startups with React and Typescript can run rings around us, and that I can't find anyone fulltime who wants to work on our stack (or has even worked in not-React)... If anyone wants to chime in with their stories about…

Got any stories about Coffeescript’s scope? I always suspected the way it works would cause more than a few fires.

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Post by newhouseb »

vosper wrote: post #13
arthurcolle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll have you know that CoffeeScript is still widely used! \s cries in legacy code

I'm right there with ya cries in not even Coffee version 2 . One day maybe it'll be a lucrative niche for contractor legacy-maintenance warriors. That'll happen before I convince senior management that startups with React and Typescript can run rings around us, and that I can't find anyone fulltime who wants to work on our stack (or has even worked in not-React)... If anyone wants to chime in with their stories about…

Dropbox has a fairly exhaustive post about moving away from Coffeescript that involves decaffeinate: https://dropbox.tech/frontend/the-great-coffeescript-to-type....

I do hope for their own sake that Bubble looks at migrating away. At scale an untyped de facto abandoned 'language' is going to catch up to them sooner or later and limit their ability to iterate safely at scale.

[Disclaimer: used to work at Dropbox, but had no involvement in this project other than massive appreciation for the amount of effort involved]

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by antupis »

ipnon wrote: post #4

What's the next 10x technological innovation for no code? What would it take to remove programming from web development? Bubble seems excellent, but it is in a competitive field.

I would say using nlp to create model where you can query erp, crm and other big business stuff without sql.

Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M

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Post by brundolf »

deeviant wrote: post #10

I think the biggest problem with this approach is at some point, they necessarily reach a level of complexity that it takes the same amount of time to learn how to use their "no-code" tools than it does to just learn how to code.

I wonder if a more useful category would be "just-code". I.e., even today you have to know quite a bit of auxiliary stuff about computers, your environment, tooling, networking, to realistically contribute to a real codebase (much less start one from scratch!). I think this is the real unnecessary barrier. Logic doesn't go away, but plenty of smart people can do logic who don't want to learn esoterica about fixing their path when they try to brew install a different version of Python and the only way forward is to go learn what "chmod" is

Repl.it and peers seem to be on the right track here

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