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Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Not to mention the people who design many of the machines that TSMC use in their plants: ASML. "The mirrors guiding this light, made of sandwiched layers of silicon and molybdenum, are ground so precisely that, if scaled to the size of Germany, they would have no bumps bigger than a millimetre" https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/how-asml-becam... >

How big would the bumps be if the layers were scaled to the size of Texas? :-)

Don't know about TX, but somewhere there was a comparison like that if the mirror would be laid over Germany. Was under a mm IIRC.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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I imagine the PRNG they use for this is a rather thorough implementation. Unless perhaps it is even necessary to used a cryptographic chip to generate true randomness.

pseudocode my man, pseudocode. ignite the imagination, and let the reader run wild. however, now my imagination is now running, and thinking about how overkill "true" random might be for this application. something "random" like an orbital sander would probably be enough. you're just trying to get away from side-to-side, left-circle, right-circle, up/down patterns. you're doing this to 3 different surfaces, so they w…

I suppose I went a bit overboard (no pun intended). 1 KB implementation should be more than enough for their precision.

Maybe some code then, instead: https://www.dwitter.net/d/20446

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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According to World Bank, wealth inequality is lower in Germany compared to the US. See Gini coefficient column: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_...

You linked to the income Gini where Germany is 126th - so pretty far from being the most unequal. But if you look at the wealth Gini then Germany comes in as 20th: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_in...

Ah, rookie mistake, thanks! 20th place for Germany vs 4th for USA, even though the absolute difference in the coefficients are pretty small.

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I would be _ecstatic_ to give up half of my salary for such a system which assures that irrespective of my employment/financial status, age or health, I'll get the care I need, until I die.

Sounds great doesn't it? Too bad in reality with public insurance you get the basic care, while with private insurace (more equivalent to the US system) you get much more. For example you can find German news articles about how public insurance doesn't cover some tests that confirm/deny if you have some life threatning condition or not, even if you have all the symptoms and the doctors says that's the next step - whi…

What a load of bs. Yes private insurance will give you preferred treatment in non emergency / non critical cases but that’s about it. Private insurance is luxury for people who do not want to wait for non critical doctors appointments.

Source: me, capable of going private insurance but it’s a complete waste of money.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Overall semiconducting industry seems to be way more exciting than boring computer industry

ha! I guess you haven't worked as a designer or verification engineer, designing chips then? let me tell you: you work with a commitee-designed c++ like abomination language with 300 non-composible keywords that make no freaking sense. all of that crap grew from legacy-upon-legacy of crutches as an attempt to fix the goddamn broken-by-design verilog. Ultimately, this craplanguage + library that is 90% non-debuggable…

From FPGA design point of view SystemVerilog is OK. I think it gives high enough level of abstraction to create even complex systems. It can also be readable after some years if care is taken to keep the code clean.

But I believe we need LISPy syntax - mainly for simplicity, also for easier parsing and static analysis. I think LISP is a natural way to describe data flow. Unfortunately none of the attempts to write functional synthesizable code that I found so far make the code simpler.

BTW I'm preparing a talk on simplifying RTL code. Can I cite some of your posts in this thread?

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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>The UK was just clever enough to hide the export ban in their contracts with AZ (unlike the US which did it more bluntly). The first xx million doses of vaccines manufactured in Oxford/Keele had to be supplied to the UK. Which is an export ban in all but name. I don't disagree that to country B waiting on doses, the outcome is the same whether or not the cause is country A implementing an export ban or country A hav…

> by having signed the contract first Vaccines aren't distributed to countries one after another until each order is completed. Instead, the production is divided up and goes towards different orders. What the UK did was to force AZ contractually to only supply the UK from Oxford/Keele for the first xx million doses (while happily importing the vast majority of vaccines from other countries who did not do such thing)…

>Vaccines aren't distributed to countries one after another until each order is completed. Instead, the production is divided up and goes towards different orders

If I purchase an item before others, purchase by far the most quantities of that item, pay by far the most overall, and pay a considerable amount of money toward funding its development (shades of Kickstarter), I should expect that item before others.

By early June 2020 (https://web.archive.org/web/20200603171013/https://www.nytim...>) the Trump administration had already identified and was planning to sign the aforementioned huge contracts with Moderna, AstraZeneca, J&J, Merck, and Pfizer. (An 80% success rate is fantastic in drug discovery.) By that time the US had already paid $2.2 billion to three of the companies. (Also note the skepticism throughout that any vaccines could be delivered anywhere within the timeframe the administration was promising.)

By contrast, look at Canada as counterexample. Consider Maclean's desperate attempt to spin its procurement difficulties (https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/where-did-canadas-vaccin...>). If you look past the predictable eliding of the US's firstest-with-the-mostest contracts as an "export ban", the best the magazine can do is admit that

* all Canadian contracts with vaccine providers that actually delivered were signed between late July and late September

* all contracts were signed after the collapse of the CanSino deal, which Canada had loudly bragged about as proof of its savviness at obtaining vaccines ASAP and circumvent any US vaccine export ban (which, again, never happened), and which it has done its best since the collapse to pretend that the attempt to foil the perfidious Americans never ever existed

* the other contracts that the magazine cites as proof that CanSino wasn't the only basket Ottawa was putting all its eggs in are with VBI (Who?) and USask. They may or may not yet deliver effective vaccines, but it's all now a bit beside the point, eh?

>That's not true. The US government used the Defense Production Act to stop the exports of finished vaccines until some time ago.

I specifically said vaccines. The US did invoke the Defense Production Act for certain medical equipment, to further ensure that its vaccine contracts are fulfilled first (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-24/biden-use...>). But, let me quote (https://www.ft.com/content/82fa8fb4-a867-4005-b6c2-a79969139...>): "The DPA does not allow the administration to block exports overseas".

The US's vaccine contracts would be fulfilled first regardless (albeit possibly more slowly) without the DPA, because (as I said) the US was the first and paid the most. The US's Pfizer contract explicitly prohibited the company from exporting US-produced vaccine doses until March 31, but that was a moot point because the company only began to export US-produced doses at the end of April because it still had to fulfill said US contract first (https://www.barrons.com/articles/pfizer-to-export-u-s-made-v...>)

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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> Eh the salaries are alright. It seems to me like the salaries are higher in America, while in Germany they're lower but include things American end up paying for: pensions, insurance, and education. While that's true, above-average earners like engineers/doctors/laywers definitely come on top in the US. Also for most of these people health insurance is paid for by the company. The trade-off is for everyone else bas…

I'd still consider quality of life because of vacations, sick days and parental leave. Skilled US jobs pay more, no matter how you look at it. I'm just thinking that above a certain income level, other perks become a lot more valuable. I have nearly unlimited free time now, and you'd have to drag me back kicking and screaming to an office. Even if you doubled my salary, I wouldn't go back to 2-3 weeks of vacation lik…

Maybe I'm very lucky then, but I have:

- 400k salary

- 4 weeks of vacation + 12 holidays (low by EU standards but not by much)

- Free top tier health insurance for family

I agree 6 weeks is nice, but usually employers will let you take an extra week or two unpaid if you want the extra time.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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And Germany is one of the countries with relatively good public coverage. I am in the UK, we don't get medicine for some things because it is too expensive: HRT has been in shortage for years, we don't get most newer cancer drugs (it is unrelated to efficacy, it is just too expensive to treat people), epilepsy drugs are the same. Because drug prices here are so low, pharmacies get drugs, and then ship them to Europe…

The UK per-capita expenditure on medicine is very low. It's also hamstrung by the choice a few years back to balkanize the NHS (stopping financially successful hospitals from subsidizing unsuccessful ones). My feeling is the NHS is a good institution in an unfortunate political culture. The UK is an essentially conservative state (they have been the ruling party for the vast majority of the last century) which is a p…

Right, but there is no concept of "financially successful" hospitals because no-one is paying for anything (success is measured in terms of input/output...the UK also does poorly here because we overpay massively for doctors, and underpay everyone else). The reason why medicine expenditure is low is because the system is managed for cost. Systems like Germany, US, Netherlands, Australia are more effective because there is a huge element of subsidy...the UK is about giving everyone the same defective product.

Also, the NHS is one of the only things on which there is almost no real political debate in the UK. The BMA is probably the most powerful lobbying group in British politics (and this isn't good, they are one of the more sources of stasis, they have opposed every change in health policy...they also opposed the introduction of the NHS). So the problem is the opposite: if anyone tries to reform the NHS is any way then the political opposition is instant (and the only way someone like Blair did reform at the edges, was to pay off doctors...which ended up costing massive amounts of money and leaving the system in a bigger hole). The main conservative force is the NHS itself...it isn't really radical, it is just a system that doesn't really work but Brits have this weird tribalism built up by tabloids telling people that someone is trying to privatize it (and btw, this is the conclusion of anyone with a brain...the NHS doesn't work well, the wealthy and middle-class need to subsidise the system more heavily but people want a Nordic size state with US taxes...and btw, what people don't understand is that we have US taxes with a public health system that is half the size of the US public health system...so we don't even do that properly). I also wouldn't call it "socialist" either, there is no real subsidy, US healthcare is way more redistributive, it is universal but lots of other healthcare systems in Europe achieve universality with large private systems...so universality really isn't the dealbreaker that people in the US think it is. But most people are die-hard NHS supporters, so it clearly isn't "socialist".

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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Top technical talent scarcity and cost. In Silicon Valley, you can find a dozen 600k$ engineers relatively quickly to scale up a random startup. In Germany... the salaries these people would be making would be This disparity in the valuation of top engineers cause many to emigrate, and once you are in the US, it is impossible to financially justify taking a 5x pay cut to go back to Germany. (You can justify it "non-f…

> the startup scene in Germany is poor. Nobody wants to be the engineer that actually builds the stuff And nobody wants to fund a startup run by engineers. Double whammy

This is funny, because the most successful startups i know in SV where all founded and run by engineers early on.

Re: TSMC eyes Germany as possible location for first Europe chip plant

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> If you would offer $600k for an engineering position, there would be no problem finding any numbers of engineers in Germany. I'm baffled at some of the answers. Paying somebody 600k$ does not make that person a good engineer. You could pick an undergrad, offer them 600k$, and they could take the job, but that won't make them top talent. No company out there paying their engineers 600k$ is going to give an engineer…

> You could pick an undergrad, offer them 600k$, and they could take the job, but that won't make them top talent. But that's exactly what is happening. People are paid these insane salaries because they're either born American or got a green card. Do you think the 20 something hired at $200k+ in the Silicon Valley are worth 5 times the seniors devs at $40k in Thailand, Spain, Poland? The only difference between a 5…

> But that's exactly what is happening. People are paid these insane salaries because they're either born American or got a green card.

Not really. Lots of people from everywhere in the World apply to Google for US (and German) positions. Most of them don't get the job. Google has offices everywhere in the world. If they want to hire you, they just hire you in your local country, and after 1 year you can transfer to the US without a green card.

> Do you think the 20 something hired at $200k+ in the Silicon Valley are worth 5 times the seniors devs at $40k in Thailand, Spain, Poland?

A 20 something hired by Google in Germany also makes 200k$. (160k EUR). For Google, these 20 something programming-competition winners and phds are worth more than most senior devs doing management with no programming, or cruft apps, etc.

Not all of these 20 something will end up making 600k at google though. But in Google they have the chance to develop into that.

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