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Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

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Post by dfxm12 »

newt_slowly wrote: post #11
meemo wrote: post #6

If the situation is this bad now, how bad is it going to be in ten years? Ugh.

Ten years? Just think of 60 years from now, a time that would be expected to be within the natural lifespan of children born today. I don't know how people don't understand that we face, without exaggeration, an existential crisis.

There are different definitions of "we" there. Do you think of "we" as the human race or "we" as in yourself and your partner or maybe your immediate family? Not everyone thinks of "we" in the same way.

If you're so narcissistic/nihilistic/whatever as to fall into the latter group, what do you care? Appeals to future generations won't work on people who only care about themselves.

They also won't work on people who only care about next quarter's earnings, either, and that's another issue.

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

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Post by go_elmo »

samstave wrote: post #20
go_elmo wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

steadily confirms my hypothesis that humanity is "too stupid" to stop this, we will destroy ourselves like yeast producing too high alcohol concentrations. Evolution just didn't had to optimize for this, making us "stupid" as a society / species. Of course it starts now, but there is just too little time - the differential equation tipped too fast. Might also be the solution to the great filter: Once optimization for…

I like the theory that Humanity is more like a fungus / parasite.... However, whats super interesting to watch unfold is that as we hit this "peak climate" phase - all the other things that are happening around it, FN UAP/UFO sightings and semi-disclosure is unprecedented... and clearly they have some sort of zero-point or better energy capabilities... and just the general shift (albeit slowly) in global awareness on…

True, the capabilities & behavior of humanity will only really show when it gets "hard". If civilization & economy can hold up long enough to make massive efforts to recapture it could work. Im more realistic & think big powers will start to geoingineer to fight the symptoms while everything gets worse, but lets see & work for the best...

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

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Post by samstave »

go_elmo wrote: post #22
samstave wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the theory that Humanity is more like a fungus / parasite.... However, whats super interesting to watch unfold is that as we hit this "peak climate" phase - all the other things that are happening around it, FN UAP/UFO sightings and semi-disclosure is unprecedented... and clearly they have some sort of zero-point or better energy capabilities... and just the general shift (albeit slowly) in global awareness on…

True, the capabilities & behavior of humanity will only really show when it gets "hard". If civilization & economy can hold up long enough to make massive efforts to recapture it could work. Im more realistic & think big powers will start to geoingineer to fight the symptoms while everything gets worse, but lets see & work for the best...

Totally agree with this sentiment... the Geo-engineering is in full swing... I do find the DEWs intriguing, as the footage of them sparking off fires in CA are pretty compelling, but not entirely believable....

I find the massive floodings in Germany, Belgium and also China to be very interesting...

It was already stated many times regarding the chinese using weather modification to create effectively what we referred to as "acid rain" in the 1980s - in an effort to sequester particulate pollution in some cities -- there are several possibilities:

1. Freak 10,000-year flooding

2. Weather warfare via HAARP or such

3. Weather modification fuckup gone awry (or intentional)

4. We broke the weather system some time ago and weather modification and technologies such as HAARP are being used in a failed attempt to fix the weather system. (I love this science fiction take on it, personally)

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

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Post by go_elmo »

samstave wrote: post #24
go_elmo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, the capabilities & behavior of humanity will only really show when it gets "hard". If civilization & economy can hold up long enough to make massive efforts to recapture it could work. Im more realistic & think big powers will start to geoingineer to fight the symptoms while everything gets worse, but lets see & work for the best...

Totally agree with this sentiment... the Geo-engineering is in full swing... I do find the DEWs intriguing, as the footage of them sparking off fires in CA are pretty compelling, but not entirely believable.... I find the massive floodings in Germany, Belgium and also China to be very interesting... It was already stated many times regarding the chinese using weather modification to create effectively what we referre…

Im sorry to tell you but most of your ideas do not have any solid foundation / are quite from the conspiracy corner. concerning the heavy rain: with every degree more the air can hold much more water as vapour and the point of starting to rain shifts, meaning it takes longer to "start" to rain & then much more comes out. Which perfectly fits what we see: more droughts & heavy rain sadly...

I meant more smth like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSu5sXmsur4

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

#26

Post by samstave »

go_elmo wrote: post #25
samstave wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree with this sentiment... the Geo-engineering is in full swing... I do find the DEWs intriguing, as the footage of them sparking off fires in CA are pretty compelling, but not entirely believable.... I find the massive floodings in Germany, Belgium and also China to be very interesting... It was already stated many times regarding the chinese using weather modification to create effectively what we referre…

Im sorry to tell you but most of your ideas do not have any solid foundation / are quite from the conspiracy corner. concerning the heavy rain: with every degree more the air can hold much more water as vapour and the point of starting to rain shifts, meaning it takes longer to "start" to rain & then much more comes out. Which perfectly fits what we see: more droughts & heavy rain sadly... I meant more smth like this…

I find exploring conspiracy ideas to be fun.

I'll trust the science - but I also love science fiction.

When it comes to extreme flooding, I find the foundations of my understanding to be extremely fluid.

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

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Post by go_elmo »

samstave wrote: post #26
go_elmo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Im sorry to tell you but most of your ideas do not have any solid foundation / are quite from the conspiracy corner. concerning the heavy rain: with every degree more the air can hold much more water as vapour and the point of starting to rain shifts, meaning it takes longer to "start" to rain & then much more comes out. Which perfectly fits what we see: more droughts & heavy rain sadly... I meant more smth like this…

I find exploring conspiracy ideas to be fun. I'll trust the science - but I also love science fiction. When it comes to extreme flooding, I find the foundations of my understanding to be extremely fluid.

Thats fine, I just have trouble with ideas like german flood being the result of geoengineering not clearly marked as science fiction.

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

#29

Post by fragmede »

dfxm12 wrote: post #21
newt_slowly wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ten years? Just think of 60 years from now, a time that would be expected to be within the natural lifespan of children born today. I don't know how people don't understand that we face, without exaggeration, an existential crisis.

There are different definitions of "we" there. Do you think of "we" as the human race or "we" as in yourself and your partner or maybe your immediate family? Not everyone thinks of "we" in the same way. If you're so narcissistic/nihilistic/whatever as to fall into the latter group, what do you care? Appeals to future generations won't work on people who only care about themselves. They also won't work on people who o…

Maybe I'm not rich enough to get it, but let's say I do only care about me, and no one else. In the event of catastrophic climate collapse, sure, I could hypothetically escape on my evil villian billionaire yacht to Oceania, but even if I'm personally fine, my estate (as rich people call their houses) is going to be destroyed. My Miami beachfront condo is literally underwater, as is my Venice summer home, and NYC condo.

Let's say I'm rich and selfish and care only about things and not people. If I bother to look into the future, don't I have more real estate to lose than the poors, who might have one (or fewer!) homes to lose?

Your second point, that long term thinking is hard seems to be a bigger issue, even more so for anybody who is living paycheck-to-paycheck. It's too difficult to get rid of, eg, single use plastic in my life as an ordinary consumer. How do we set things up so the system is incentivized to change itself? Especially when the culture is opposed to any change in the first place.

Re: Get ready for many more record-shattering heatwaves

#30

Post by vidanay »

murat131 wrote: post #23

Societies globally are expected to collapse around 2040s-2050s and I hope that'll be the wake up call that won't be too late for the very few children of today who are going to survive it.

Society has been going to collapse in 50 years for the last 500 years.
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