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Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#101

Is the Telegraph a paper of good repute? The article feels to me as somehow manipulative however I'm not local to the UK. I am wondering if this is propaganda or if these results are actually plausible.

This is a newspaper that decides what the news is going to be and then goes out to find the sources to support that.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#102
post #50

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I don't think "Covid deniers" make up any significant percentage of the population, but that doesn't change the fact that this is proof that Covid is exaggerated.

I think covid deniers do make up a significant percentage of the population, and they would take this as proof of exaggeration even though it really isn't. US has had 1M excess deaths. That's a million people more than usual. http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess...

How is this not proof of exaggeration? Somebody in the hospital for a broken leg being counted as a "Covid hospitalization" just because they also happened to test positive for Covid means that the numbers are inflated. Period.

Covid is real. Covid numbers are inflated. You're arguing against a fictional "Covid denier" boogeyman which doesn't really exist.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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post #81

I am weary of this newspaper's reporting - they wage a continual war on the NHS, and they seem to have some writers paid to continually put out negative news on the NHS. Two points: 1. COVID-19 is the most thrombogenic infectious disease known to man. It likely has a serious impact on co-morbidities in a way that hasn't been clearly studied yet. This means it's likely to exacerbate current conditions. 2. Hospitals ar…

> Hospitals are full in the UK at the moment.

New Zealand hospitals have been in “crisis” pretty much all year, and we have no Covid. Currently it is due to a respiratory virus called RSV, but there were severe problems in other months too, not due to RSV.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=nz+hospitals+overrun+OR+cr...

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#104

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Didn't The Telegraph endorse Boris Johnson? I'm not super well versed in UK politics, but as Prime Minister Boris Johnson is also the "Leader of the Conservative Party" right? And the Tory party merged with another party to form the Conservative party so are they now a wing or subset of the Conservative Party? Is Boris Johnson in the Tory subset?

"Tory" is just a colloquial term for "member or supporter of the Conservative party". It started out as an insult a couple of centuries ago, but has long since lost that association. The Telegraph didn't just endorse Boris Johnson - he worked for the paper back in the 1990s, and after resigning his position as Foreign Secretary in 2018, he wrote regular columns for them.

Tory is still an insult in Ireland. Probably Scotland too.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

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post #73

Comments so far seem to misunderstand the issue. People are not catching Covid in the hospital. They are in the hospital for non-covid reasons (broken leg, pink eye etc) but if they test positive it will show up in statistics as a "Covid Hospitalization". That is terribly misleading because we want to understand if Covid is causing an increase in hospitalizations, this is attributing other causes to Covid.

I haven't checked this as the full data the article was based on wasn't given in the article, but it wouldn't make much sense to count out-patients as part of the covid hospitalisation statistics, so I imagine that the word "hospitalisation" means in-patients specifically i.e. people who are sick enough to stay in a bed in a ward for a night or more, so things like pink-eye, fractures, even child birth (without compl…

Very good point!

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#107
If say 10% of a randomly sampled population tests positive, and 56% of admissions test positive, then only 5.6% of admissions should be unrelated to Covid[^].

The premise of this article is bullshit. Sure, there will be situations where someone comes in with a broken leg (unrelated to Covid) and tests positive. Note that the article mentions PCR, so we are not talking antibody tests.

Are there figures for what percentage of randomly sampled UK population currently tests positive for Covid?

[^] Aside: The 5.6% example number isn’t quite right, but the figure should be of that order.

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#108
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So their argument is: everyone is already infected, it's no big deal? Whereas the actual questions are: why are people going into hospital without having a Covid test first (assuming non emergency) And: What percentage of the people who tested positive in the previous 14 days in hospital because of Covid. And what percentage of the people who weren't tested went to hospital because of Covid related symptoms.

>why are people going into hospital without having a Covid test first (assuming non emergency) The truth is that once you put aside the creepy fawning nationalism around the NHS it's actually got some serious systemic issues that never get properly resolved because it's a political football. It's not "joined up" very well at all, at least in my experience paperwork cockups are pretty much universal. The clinical staf…

Keep in mind: efficient and organized or not, the government check keeps coming.

What are the incentives to improve then?

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#109
post #74

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Sure, and it could be political. In fact, most things of this nature are at that level. So, maybe, the people in charge didn't like the previous US government admin so they didn't help improve its numbers. That is certainly more likely and believable than some vast left-wing conspiracy to implant Bill Gate's microchips in to your iPhone carrying ass to "track" you. :)

Instead you're just talking about a left-wing conspiracy to lie to the public in order to take control of the government. Things like that make people suspicious, and make it easy for people who don't know the difference between a quantum dot[1] and a microchip to misunderstand when Bill Gates calls for a national tracking system[2]. 1: (a quantum dot to store medical information beneath the skin really was funded by…

>Instead you're just talking about a left-wing conspiracy to lie to the public in order to take control of the government.

To take control of the government or for good PR/propaganda? Governments have never had any issues conspiring and lying to the public, remember when Fauci said not to use masks because they didn't help? Or those WMDs that we will surely find any day now?

Re: Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission

#110

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At the latest low point in the epidemic, some areas were seeing test positivity rates of under 0.5%. If false positives were a large portion of positives, this would seem to be impossible.

> At the latest low point in the epidemic, some areas were seeing test positivity rates of under 0.5%. If false positives were a large portion of positives, this would seem to be impossible. Its quite possible, especially if there is a testing bias toward people who are less likely to have the disease

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