Is the Telegraph a paper of good repute? The article feels to me as somehow manipulative however I'm not local to the UK. I am wondering if this is propaganda or if these results are actually plausible.
Over half of Covid hospitalisations tested positive after admission
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#12hmmm is this a new variant? or have they got bad testing processes outside of hospitals? So many things this might be...
The main point of the article (at least as I understood it) is that I could be hospitalized for an open fracture in my leg, tested for COVID while there, test comes back positive (either true or false positive) and be counted as a "hospitalized COVID case".
but couldn't this also mean? :
false positives new variant that infects but doesn't overtly affect or maybe a larger number of asymptomatic types than originally thought.
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#13hmmm is this a new variant? or have they got bad testing processes outside of hospitals? So many things this might be...
The main point of the article (at least as I understood it) is that I could be hospitalized for an open fracture in my leg, tested for COVID while there, test comes back positive (either true or false positive) and be counted as a "hospitalized COVID case".
what suggests to you that there is any notable number of false positives?
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#14Comments so far seem to misunderstand the issue. People are not catching Covid in the hospital. They are in the hospital for non-covid reasons (broken leg, pink eye etc) but if they test positive it will show up in statistics as a "Covid Hospitalization". That is terribly misleading because we want to understand if Covid is causing an increase in hospitalizations, this is attributing other causes to Covid.
I mean, they may be catching covid in hospitals, there's no way to know for sure, but it seems unlikely to account for all these cases.
But yeah this is going to be picked up by covid-deniers as more "proof" that covid is exaggarated.
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#15Is the Telegraph a paper of good repute? The article feels to me as somehow manipulative however I'm not local to the UK. I am wondering if this is propaganda or if these results are actually plausible.
it's historically a reasonable newspaper but lately is extremely closely aligned with the ruling Tory party and their desires, to the point of everyone reading the online edition on Sundays to see what will be announced by the government on Monday.
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#16Since they will take up space in a covid ward, it's not that strange that they are counted as hospitalized by covid in some statistics.
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#17Comments so far seem to misunderstand the issue. People are not catching Covid in the hospital. They are in the hospital for non-covid reasons (broken leg, pink eye etc) but if they test positive it will show up in statistics as a "Covid Hospitalization". That is terribly misleading because we want to understand if Covid is causing an increase in hospitalizations, this is attributing other causes to Covid.
"People are not catching Covid in the hospital" that is nonsense. They are, and the question is how many. The next question is if it is a significant number, is there a good way to prevent it.
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#18Misleading article since as they state "44 per cent involved people who tested positive in the 14 days before hospital entry. A further 43 per cent were made within two days of admission". Thats 87% are positive within 2 days of start of admission but the article is very blustery about the non-common case that people test positive after discharge for some non-covid admission reason.
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#19Link is paywalled on mobile, thanks for the archive. Hospital tents that house the plague victims would be safer for regular hospital patients who were not originally infected. Doctors and nurses interacting with plague victims shouldn't work with any other patients and should stay in the quarantine zone until they are cleared.
Have you been to an ER recently? At least at my hospital this is exactly what they do. There’s a tent next to the ER entrance. They ask a bunch of questions about symptoms and do a temperature check. If you appear COVID+ they send you to the tent, otherwise you go to the regular ER.
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#20The most baffling thing is not standardising CT values for RT-PCR tests.
I have looked and I cannot even find how increasing CT values affect the false positive rate for the PCR testing. If my understanding is correct a single increment of CT essentially doubles the sensitivity of the test, so difference between CT value of 35 and 40 is 32 fold.
CDC is suggesting CT value of 28 for detecting breakthrough infections after vaccinations. And if I am not mistaken, a lot of places was using 35 for the CT value in RT-PCT tests.
So that means, a breakthrough infection needs to have 128 times viral load in someone who has been vaccinated to be considered as positive, than it is required to have considered as positive in a non-vaccinated person.
That is quite ridiculous.