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Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

crsv wrote: post #10
zero_billion wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

after speaking to users, we figured out that what to replace with is best left to the user based on their choices. a lot of our users keep posting in our forums that they took up weight lifting, exercises, meditation etc. to distract them from their problematic behavior. as to studies, there is very little research on impact of porn. but, our users seem to be happy when they make progress and stay off porn for a long…

So that's a "no" to the question of whether there is any empirical evidence saying that this intervention has a positive effect. Got it. No evidence.

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl...

> 56 neuroscience-based studies [...] All but one provide support for the addiction model as their findings mirror the neurological findings reported in substance addiction studies.

> Over 60 studies reporting findings consistent with escalation of porn use (tolerance), habituation to porn, and even withdrawal symptoms

> over 40 studies linking porn use/porn addiction to sexual problems and lower arousal to sexual stimuli

> Over 80 studies link porn use to poorer sexual and relationship satisfaction

> Over 90 studies link porn use to poorer mental-emotional health & poorer cognitive outcomes.

> over 40 studies link porn use to “un-egalitarian attitudes” toward women and sexist views

> Got it. No evidence.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by zero_billion »

yourad_io wrote: post #49

Suggestions for landing page copy: - I would change the hero text "Helping Millennials Overcome Digital Addictions" to just "Overcome Digital Addictions" - "millions" is not consistently capitalized. - "Know more" -> "Learn more"

sure, thanks so much. will correct these rightaway!

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by randomhodler84 »

zero_billion wrote: post #50
randomhodler84 wrote: post #48

Is porn really a problem, or is this an excuse to inject big brother into peoples lives. I’ve always considered it incredibly creepy and suspicious that people even want to get into “nofap enforcement movement”. This is like religious morality policing you would find in places like Iran. I don’t like it. And think one should do some soul searching over why you need to push your morality on others.

I honestly don't think there is any policing. there are groups like nofap because people who fundamentally believed that they wanted to quit porn came together and there's no force. people do this voluntarily based on their own choice.

If it was voluntary, there would be no need for a app. It’s policing and enforcement. Of some personal morality.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by zero_billion »

ignoramous wrote: post #46

Congratulations on the HN launch, Tejas. This has been quite many years in the making! Kudos for persisting. > Compulsive porn usage is a taboo topic. Millions of people want to get away from this behavior, but it's an embarrassing problem to discuss socially. Definitely: https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/ Some folks clearly signal a need for this no doubt, while others who've quit porn, report substantial improvement i…

thanks for your kind words and comment.

As to how we prevent bypasses, we have a many little things that overall work really well. E.g. in iOS, if user disables a vpn profile, we have a way to enable this in a few seconds. in android, with a few additional permissions, we can block force stop and many such ways of bypassing. there are 100s of loopholes with a blocker. we have meticulously plugged many of them one by one. and we're still continuing to plug each day.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by kmnc »

How many people who struggle with porn are actually just using it as a replacement for dealing with more destructive addictions? This was the issue for me, as a problem gambler porn became a scapegoat that I had more control over then gambling. It became a scapegoat for other things as well like not taking care of myself.

The thing is, it was only when I decided to stop having an unhealthy relationship with porn full of negativity and self hatred that I began to focus on my actual issues.

I use porn multiple times a week now, but I make sure to enjoy it, and make sure to think positively afterwards. It is incredible how just shifting your perspective can change things. Porn was not the problem, thinking it was is what put me in a cycle of self hatred.

Now don’t get me wrong, building up willpower and having a foundation to change your life is very powerful, but make sure you are changing the right thing.

A healthy relationship with porn and self love has actually been incredibly beneficial to dealing with my real addiction: gambling.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

randomhodler84 wrote: post #53
zero_billion wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't think there is any policing. there are groups like nofap because people who fundamentally believed that they wanted to quit porn came together and there's no force. people do this voluntarily based on their own choice.

If it was voluntary, there would be no need for a app. It’s policing and enforcement. Of some personal morality.

Would you say the same about quitting smoking? Or harder drugs?

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by zero_billion »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #51
crsv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that's a "no" to the question of whether there is any empirical evidence saying that this intervention has a positive effect. Got it. No evidence.

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articl... > 56 neuroscience-based studies [...] All but one provide support for the addiction model as their findings mirror the neurological findings reported in substance addiction studies. > Over 60 studies reporting findings consistent with escalation of porn use (tolerance), habituation to porn, and even withdrawal symptoms > over 40 studies linking porn use/…

i guess these are studies that indicate the harmful effects. but, the question was about whether quitting porn can make people happy. i guess that's not quantified. also, happiness is quite difficult to quantify in general.

Re: Launch HN: Atmana (YC S21) – An app to help cut down on compulsive porn usage

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Post by randomhodler84 »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57
randomhodler84 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was voluntary, there would be no need for a app. It’s policing and enforcement. Of some personal morality.

Would you say the same about quitting smoking? Or harder drugs?

Yeah, probably. Who you who didn’t like smoking. Doh, Godwin’d. Anti drug people are the worst kinda authoritarians too.
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