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If there was never evidence to anything, then it's reasonable to assume?

The CCP/PLA can force any company operating within China to do its bidding. This is Chinese law. And this is common knowledge. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrsOM8ww8ug

First, just saying that something is legally possible does not mean that that's what occurred.

Second, this isn't something China-specific. The US Federal government also has enormous power to compel companies to cooperate in surveillance. Just recall when the US government ordered Lavabit to turn over its SSL keys, so that the government could intercept Snowden's emails.

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Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (chemical) and they didnt find evidence of nuclear weapons outside the email trail inside their military. It was not illegal

An invasion of another country that is neither carried out in self-defense against an imminent attack nor authorized by the UN Security Council is illegal under the UN Charter. This is one of the central principles of the modern international system. > Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (chemical) Even the US government admitted after the war that it could find no evidence of an Iraqi WMD program. All the US found…

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The vast majority of the most recent wars have not been UNSC authorized. UN involvement is not necessary for a war to occur nor do they prevent wars or proxy wars between countries on the UNSC. The "modern international system" is an ideal. The US was attacked.

>ancient, rusting artillery shells (from the 1980s)

20-30 years old isnt ancient, they were serviceable, and they had chemical weapons in the quantity for the potential of wmds. That is only what they found, and I imagine there were more not found.

>Nobody would ever have accepted to go to war

There was reasonable evidence they had more that the allied force didn't find. The international community is more to blame for the conditions after involvement than the instigators 10+ years on. A neighbor is beating up another neighbor and both are blaming it on someone else.

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An invasion of another country that is neither carried out in self-defense against an imminent attack nor authorized by the UN Security Council is illegal under the UN Charter. This is one of the central principles of the modern international system. > Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (chemical) Even the US government admitted after the war that it could find no evidence of an Iraqi WMD program. All the US found…

HN frowns on political commentary so I'll attempt to be brief The vast majority of the most recent wars have not been UNSC authorized. UN involvement is not necessary for a war to occur nor do they prevent wars or proxy wars between countries on the UNSC. The "modern international system" is an ideal. The US was attacked. >ancient, rusting artillery shells (from the 1980s) 20-30 years old isnt ancient, they were serv…

> The vast majority of the most recent wars have not been UNSC authorized.

Unless those wars are fought in imminent self-defense, then they're illegal. The invasion of Iraq was an especially egregious violation of international law for two reasons:

1. The US knew that the UN Security Council would reject a resolution authorizing war, so it decided in the end not to ask.

2. The war had catastrophic consequences for Iraq. It's not every day a country of 20+ million people is invaded and its government overthrown. Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result.

A third factor making this war particularly egregious is the deliberate campaign of disinformation that was carried out in order to justify it.

> The US was attacked.

Not by Iraq.

> 20-30 years old isnt ancient, they were serviceable, and they had chemical weapons in the quantity for the potential of wmds.

This is how the NY Times described the small number of chemical artillery shells found scattered across Iraq:

> Filthy, rusty or corroded, a large fraction of them could not be readily identified as chemical weapons at all. Some were empty, though many of them still contained potent mustard agent or residual sarin. Most could not have been used as designed, and when they ruptured dispersed the chemical agents over a limited area, according to those who collected the majority of them.

These were the misplaced remnants of the chemical weapons program that Iraq dismantled in the 1990s.

> There was reasonable evidence they had more that the allied force didn't find.

The US occupied Iraq for nearly a decade. It's simply not credible to claim that there was any sort of sizeable stockpile that the US did not find.

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Or they should stop stealing tax payers money and dissolve these agencies. The one thing they are good at is digging deeper and deeper the debt account, for virtually no benefit, and surely nuisance and worries.

Are you saying that the market, such as it is, is doing a good enough job of managing software vulnerabilities and their consequent breaches?

No. I'M by no means saying nor implying that. I'm saying tax should not be taken away from people to fund agencies. Businesses are free to do a good or bad job at managing their security posture. And if it is a bad job they are very likely to pay the consequences. The market is fine regulating itself in the long term. Agencies and regulation rather create obstacles and biases.

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HN frowns on political commentary so I'll attempt to be brief The vast majority of the most recent wars have not been UNSC authorized. UN involvement is not necessary for a war to occur nor do they prevent wars or proxy wars between countries on the UNSC. The "modern international system" is an ideal. The US was attacked. >ancient, rusting artillery shells (from the 1980s) 20-30 years old isnt ancient, they were serv…

> The vast majority of the most recent wars have not been UNSC authorized. Unless those wars are fought in imminent self-defense, then they're illegal. The invasion of Iraq was an especially egregious violation of international law for two reasons: 1. The US knew that the UN Security Council would reject a resolution authorizing war, so it decided in the end not to ask. 2. The war had catastrophic consequences for Ir…

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>> The US was attacked.

>Not by Iraq.

Saddam gave material assistance to suicide bombers and network. It would suggest had they not gotten rid of him some of the perpetrators would have tried again. The resulting catastrophe was the result of neighbors meddling in their affairs and an internal domestic power struggle.

>These were the misplaced remnants of the chemical weapons program that Iraq dismantled in the 1990s.

if it was dismantled it wouldn't exist.

>It's simply not credible to claim that there was any sort of sizeable stockpile that the US did not find.

it probably wasnt in Iraq anymore.

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Not suggesting at all that the USA is some benign superpower, but Russia is run by a criminal gang and China by a despot and a corrupt communist party. Note that I am a US citizen than expatriated after the second gulf war. So I am not a fan if the US gvmt, but if you think for a second that the Chinese and Russian governments AREN'T doing the things they are accused you are naive.

just curious, have you visited china before? or seen first hand what's it actually like? you seem to have a very strong opinion, yet i'm not sure if they are based on reality or not.

I would be extremely reluctant to visit China or Russia at this point in my life. I felt differently in my 20's. And I am modestly well-travelled.

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> It is about 3 decades of seemingly intentional inability to deliver secure product. This is a consumer choice. You don't trust Microsoft, you don't use its services. On the government level, you ask for regulations if the situation is escalated (if necessary). But dealing with global cyberattacks is not Microsoft problem and it's not connected to one company or one service. It's an international responsibility to a…

Just the other day I was listening to a radio show ( further right than shown in mainstream ), where a user was clamoring for a proper locked down version of Windows where nothing can go wrong. The current situation ( and the resulting clamoring ) is absolutely a direct result of people who create this software. Trying to shift the blame onto nonexistent framework is at best laughable and at worst very deceptive. It…

I don't know if you gonna read this, but I should give a credit for your take on the subject. This is what you were talking about: https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/p/ns-oh-god-how-is-this-l...
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