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Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims
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#33Even at first thought, it makes sense why the IDF would be well equipped for such a mission, given all the turmoil in the Middle East(mentioned in the article), they have much more experience in this situation. I can't imagine all the horror that those volunteers may have seen through their lifetimes, and they find a way to use that experience to help others thousands of miles away. I can imagine that for a typical v…
>Even at first thought, it makes sense why the IDF would be well equipped for such a mission, given all the turmoil in the Middle East(mentioned in the article), they have much more experience in this situation.
Actually they don't really have similar "field experience" from Israel (fortunately). They do have a bunch of training with artificially made piles of rubbles and whenever something happens somewhere in the world (earthquakes, tsunamis, etc) they usually among first to arrive.
Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims
#34Even at first thought, it makes sense why the IDF would be well equipped for such a mission, given all the turmoil in the Middle East(mentioned in the article), they have much more experience in this situation. I can't imagine all the horror that those volunteers may have seen through their lifetimes, and they find a way to use that experience to help others thousands of miles away. I can imagine that for a typical v…
>Even at first thought, it makes sense why the IDF would be well equipped for such a mission, given all the turmoil in the Middle East(mentioned in the article), they have much more experience in this situation. Actually they don't really have similar "field experience" from Israel (fortunately). They do have a bunch of training with artificially made piles of rubbles and whenever something happens somewhere in the w…
Watching and reading about the teams arriving in Christchurch, New Zealand after the earthquake that happened there was really impressive and inspiring.
Countries that seemed far away and uninvolved had teams touching down at staggered intervals and brought resources and skill that really helped.
International search and rescue seems to be a little world of its own that operates away from the noise and bickering of ‘normal’ international relations.
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#35I love this very methodical, Sherlock Holmes style of investigating. It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.
> It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims. finding 100% of the victims should have been possible, but of course countries spend more on killing... I think they are just trying to bring Israel's image up since they are killing so many innocent people in the Gaza Strip... For some reason, Biden loves Israel (is that because of their religion? IE: they believe the same lies that he does)
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#36I love this very methodical, Sherlock Holmes style of investigating. It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.
The key insights seem to be: 1) Despite the chaos, the debris of a collapsed building can be mapped to the structure as it was when standing. 2) All sorts of information can be used in figuring out where you are - the breed of a dog corpse, a scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi... 3) Be skeptical of secondary sources (estimates of the number of victims...) 4) Bureaucrats will be obstructive just by doing…
> scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi...
I can definitely see this as plausible.
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#37Absolutely incredible. At first, I was skeptical and even wondering why an IDF group was there, but now I'm in absolute awe of the abilities of disciplined, well trained groups.
> This is it. There will be no more than 98 or 99. Not a single one more.
Precision of a surgeon or sniper with first principles first. Initially, it would seem like a waste to do this work, but it clearly helped.
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#38>Israeli team has fewer members so they learn to be 'small and swift'
It is amazing to see how they work to save those people, at the same time terrifying to think how they got those experience with all those never ending wars throughout their lifetime.
Salut to the team for helping those in grief.
Also from wikipedia: >Distinct from possible construction defects, an analysis of European Remote-Sensing Satellite data by Florida International University indicates that the building had been sinking during the 1990s at a significant rate of about two millimeters (0.079 in) per year. While 97 percent of Miami Beach had been stable, 1,555 of 18,949 points in Miami Beach had been sinking, at a rate of less than one millimeter (0.039 in) per year.
This is actually terrifying to hear
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#39why are the IDF there?
Miami has many Israeli expats, this building specifically had many dual Israeli-American citizens and the family and friends of the victims called for the IDF to come help, the governor, and mayor ok-ed it so they came. Many countries have disaster recovery teams specifically tasked with assisting in international catastrophes, the Israeli one happens to be a division of the IDF, probably for budgetary reasons.
> the Israeli one happens to be a division of the IDF, probably for budgetary reasons.
Given that Israel has mandatory military service, it may have something to do with allowing that service to count.
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Even at first thought, it makes sense why the IDF would be well equipped for such a mission, given all the turmoil in the Middle East(mentioned in the article), they have much more experience in this situation. Actually they don't really have similar "field experience" from Israel (fortunately). They do have a bunch of training with artificially made piles of rubbles and whenever something happens somewhere in the w…
Watching and reading about the teams arriving in Christchurch, New Zealand after the earthquake that happened there was really impressive and inspiring. Countries that seemed far away and uninvolved had teams touching down at staggered intervals and brought resources and skill that really helped. International search and rescue seems to be a little world of its own that operates away from the noise and bickering of ‘…
These are amongst the few bonding experiences in today's world, like the Thai cave rescues.