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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by beerandt »

void_mint wrote: post #17
xeromal wrote: post #2

I love this very methodical, Sherlock Holmes style of investigating. It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.

> They found 84% of the 100 victims. The chilling and sad realization that it wasn't "They found 84 out of 100 victims"

They say 81 victims out of 97. You're overthinking it.

ETA: 81, not 80.

>he knew precisely where each victim would be located.

>He personally found 20. His team, he said, recovered 81 by the time the last member departed Surfside on July 11.

Even the freaking byline reads:

>The Israeli Defense Forces’ National Rescue Unit recovered 81 of the 97 victims from the Champlain Towers South condo collapse site in Surfside.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by vxNsr »

gaze wrote: post #10

why are the IDF there?

Miami has many Israeli expats, this building specifically had many dual Israeli-American citizens and the family and friends of the victims called for the IDF to come help, the governor, and mayor ok-ed it so they came.

Many countries have disaster recovery teams specifically tasked with assisting in international catastrophes, the Israeli one happens to be a division of the IDF, probably for budgetary reasons.

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Post by mustafa_pasi »

bpodgursky wrote: post #6
DSingularity wrote: post #4

It would be nice if they help with recovering the remains of building collapses in Gaza. Building collapses are a common occurrence there.

Do you actually think the IDF would be allowed to help with this in Gaza? This would be a death sentence for any Israeli who tried to help.

They could help very easily but not lobbing missiles purposefully targeted at civilians in an open air prison. But, but, "self defense". They don't need to defend themselves if they don't first commit acts of aggression. So they can also stop oppressing the Palestinians and sue for peace. It is entirely in their power to do so. They are the only ones who call the shots.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by mym1990 »

Even at first thought, it makes sense why the IDF would be well equipped for such a mission, given all the turmoil in the Middle East(mentioned in the article), they have much more experience in this situation. I can't imagine all the horror that those volunteers may have seen through their lifetimes, and they find a way to use that experience to help others thousands of miles away.

I can imagine that for a typical volunteer, pulling body parts out of rubble would be a fairly life changing event, and the number of people in the world with the experience and grit to tackle this gracefully can't be a long list.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by mym1990 »

beerandt wrote: post #21
void_mint wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They found 84% of the 100 victims. The chilling and sad realization that it wasn't "They found 84 out of 100 victims"

They say 81 victims out of 97. You're overthinking it. ETA: 81, not 80. >he knew precisely where each victim would be located. >He personally found 20. His team, he said, recovered 81 by the time the last member departed Surfside on July 11. Even the freaking byline reads: >The Israeli Defense Forces’ National Rescue Unit recovered 81 of the 97 victims from the Champlain Towers South condo collapse site in Surfside.

The quote is 'In all, the Israeli team found about 84% of the nearly 100 victims.' and the realization that they might mean that they found 84% of the body parts vs 84% of the people.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by pcbro141 »

gaze wrote: post #10

why are the IDF there?

It sounds like a great real life training opportunity for a rescue unit, it seems like it would be hard to develop fake training exercises to simulate the challenges of a real collapse of a big building.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by beerandt »

mannykannot wrote: post #16
xeromal wrote: post #2

I love this very methodical, Sherlock Holmes style of investigating. It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.

The key insights seem to be: 1) Despite the chaos, the debris of a collapsed building can be mapped to the structure as it was when standing. 2) All sorts of information can be used in figuring out where you are - the breed of a dog corpse, a scrap of paper with the name of a victim's rabbi... 3) Be skeptical of secondary sources (estimates of the number of victims...) 4) Bureaucrats will be obstructive just by doing…

The part about how quickly they figured out the number of missing was actually 97-99, opposed to the "official" number ~150, was really impressive.

Of all the things the article covers, I'm most interested to know more about how they interview friends and family so quickly and efficiently, when things are still so raw and emotional. It does say that half the team is dedicated to that task, at least initially.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by TroisM »

xeromal wrote: post #2

I love this very methodical, Sherlock Holmes style of investigating. It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.

> It clearly worked too. They found 84% of the 100 victims.

finding 100% of the victims should have been possible, but of course countries spend more on killing... I think they are just trying to bring Israel's image up since they are killing so many innocent people in the Gaza Strip... For some reason, Biden loves Israel (is that because of their religion? IE: they believe the same lies that he does)

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

vxNsr wrote: post #22
gaze wrote: post #10

why are the IDF there?

Miami has many Israeli expats, this building specifically had many dual Israeli-American citizens and the family and friends of the victims called for the IDF to come help, the governor, and mayor ok-ed it so they came. Many countries have disaster recovery teams specifically tasked with assisting in international catastrophes, the Israeli one happens to be a division of the IDF, probably for budgetary reasons.

It makes sense why it would be part of the IDF. In Israel, the usual reason you need disaster response is an act of terrorism. Having the disaster recovery and security forces all under a single authority makes coordinating a response much easier.
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