Aren't many executives Italian? So, whatever the US justice department does, as long they stay in Italy, they will not see jail time, or am I wrong? The company sure can be shut down and blacklisted globally, as well as the current executives. It looks like a shift to USDC is happening, why is that not stopped? It looks like a tether fork with different board, but backing etc look all the same.
Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud
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#162And all of those financial instruments are controlled by the same people that have been "cracking down on stablecoins/crypto"...
So my question is, who can we trust? we were born with banks around us so we kind of trust them, but can you imagine the level of corruption that existed when they were being created? how many financial institutions disappear with everyones money...
We are just at the early days of crypto, there is people trying to make good things and people trying to make a quick win taking advantage of the current status.
Do your own research, make your own decisions...
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#163While everything that has been said about Tether seems valid, not sure what is true and not, it is definitely suspicious. But after reading all comments, I am wondering, isn't the whole financial system also a house of cards? Can we talk about the amount of debt on student loans, credit cards, house loans, those ridiculous low interest rate, the amount of $usd that is being printed and giving it away ? And all of tho…
Yes. But importantly, it's a house of cards guaranteed by all the money and force of the government of $major_power.
> Do your own research, make your own decisions...
The vast majority of people are not capable of understanding either the economics or technology involved without investing an unreasonable amount of time. (I'm not ashamed to admit that I don't, and I certainly understand more of the tech and probably understand more of the economics than 99% of the US population...)
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Tether usually has 2-3x the volume of bitcoin in any given day. And no one seems to know anything about how it works. I think these are both bad arguments. If the most used stablecoin is used for most BTC volume as well as other crypto trades, you'd expect it to be more. >. And no one seems to know anything about how it works What? People do know how it works, or at least as much as with many other projects.
Nobody knows where the USD supposedly backing it goes. Most of it is in “commercial paper” they said, but the investors who work in that industry say they’ve never heard of them. This seems impossible because at their scale, that would make them, like, the 5th largest commercial paper investor on Wall Street. How could commercial paper investors not heard of them?
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Given that you're not allowed to redeem tether for dollars I never quite understood why it mattered. edit: Note the difference between "trade" for dollars and "redeem" for dollars
The whales can redeem, in minimum chunks of $100,000. Mostly these are exchanges. Thus the peg is supported by the reserves in a roundabout way. If Tether can’t redeem, and trades break the peg, then ultimately either exchanges go insolves or anyone holding tether has to write off their holdings. Or both.
(1) US persons and entities cannot redeem, period, so that leaves out all of Coinbase doesn't it? [edit] originally I mentioned FTX but of course they're based on Antigua and Barbuda and Hong Kong. [1 - Section 3/ and 3/3].
(2) Only individuals Tether deems as customers at their sole discretion are permitted to redeem. [1 - Section 9/ - "Tether in its absolute and sole discretion may determine that you are a customer of TIL or TLTD"]
(3) Tether may delay redemptions arbitrarily at their sole discretion. [1 - Section 3/]
(4) Tether may substitute whatever is in their reserves in lieu of cash at their sole discretion, and themselves admit to only having 3% of the cash needed to satisfy the "obligations" (and I air-quote say that because ... [1 - Section 3/]
(5) Holding tether tokens is not a claim to any backing assets. Any redemptions are strictly goodwill.
(6) Tether has identified their absconding with all the funds as a risk in their white paper [2 page 10].
This is all on their website. [1] Roughly speaking nobody has tried to redeem any - for obvious reasons. They know they can't.
To your point it's the largest exchanges with their hands in this particular cookie jar, and their fates are entwined. The exchanges are holding the bags, Binance alone has 17,000,000,000 USDT. They won't do anything to potentially upset the peg, and are incentivized to do whatever they can to maintain it. Otherwise, to your point, RIP.
[1] tether.to/legal
[2] https://tether.to/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/TetherWhitePape...
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is, it does not matter only to those who use it. Basically all trading of Bitcoin is not actually in USD, it is in Tethers. The polite fiction is that this is the same thing, but there are a million red flags saying that this is not the case. Once Tether implodes, it takes the entire bitcoin market with it.
I was looking at the usdc, vs tether, vs dai market caps over the last few weeks. Tether seemed to have stopped printing as usdc has continued to grow. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/usd-coin/ https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/multi-collateral-dai/ Tether is at 60billion market cap compared to Usdc 30 billion and dai around 5 billion. Should probably look at volum…
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlike Bitcoin, Eth, and other coins, Tether was always claimed to be backed by something which ensured it's stable value. Tether the company claims that their tether coins are each worth $1. There are now >$60Bn worth of Tether coin issued. With that much money they'd be a very serious private financial institution, and yet they only have 13 employee's. They have never been audited by any independent third party. Th…
>There is nothing which proves that Tether actually is backed by anything Also, there is nothing which proves that Tether actually isn't backed by anything. I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions about a topic they are self admittedly ignorant about. Perhaps wait for the DOJ to do their jobs if you don't have insider knowledge. In response to -dsr's sarcasm below (rate limit), I've got a bit of my own. "I've ru…
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence though. To wit:
* Tether was previously caught lying, in a manner that is attuned to how many big frauds start (you hit a small road bump, so you lie to cover up the road bump, figuring you'll be able to make up the shortfall before too long. But now your lying projections are going faster than your ability to catch up, so what was originally a "small" lie is now a "big" lie). Tether had had the cash, until it was stolen from them, and they started lying to pretend that it wasn't stolen.
* Notably, Tether has yet to provide any audited statement of their claimed finances, in over 4 years. Even the attestations that they have come out with don't actually provide much in the way of reassurance.
* Their claimed asset breakdown, the closest thing any of us have to being able to being able to validate their claims, is presented in the form of 2 pie charts with vague labels, one of which is so bad that no one knows what it's supposed to mean ("reverse repo notes").
* Doing the math in the above point, they claim to be one of the largest consumers of commercial paper. They haven't said whose commercial paper they're buying, and no one has reported transacting with them. Supposedly this is for privacy, but it is the standard in the entire industry to just list all of your holdings for transparency's sake [1].
* Also, Tether has increased its issuance to the tune of several billion dollars a month. That's the kind of extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence to back it up.
[1] Unless you're Bernie Madoff and you're promising awesome financial returns with your secretive trading strategy. Except it also turned out that said strategy was a literal Ponzi scheme. Note that "we're not telling you what we're investing in" is generally one of the red flags for a fraud.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
... which is consistent with having sufficient backing. Again: She did not open a criminal prosecution for fraud. Do you think she would just let go of a criminal prosecution?
> Do you think she would just let go of a criminal prosecution? Yes? Those are my tax dollars at work. There are better places to prosecute. Let the Feds do the international heavy lifting such a prosecution will require.
So you believe Leticia James has documentation saying that USDT is not backed 1:1 with any dollar-based securities, and didn't even say so? And let investors continue to be defrauded, and she'll let the Fed AGs to get the credit?
That sounds laughable to me, but ok.
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#169> A hallmark of Tether is that its creators have said each token is backed by one U.S. dollar, either through actual money or holdings that include commercial paper, corporate bonds and precious metals. That has triggered concerns that if lots of traders sold stable coins all at once, there could be a run on assets backstopping the tokens. Fitch Ratings has warned that such a scenario could destabilize short-term credit markets.
Even if Tether is 100% backed and not fraudulent at all, a bank-run scenario could result in Tether needing to sell off billions of dollars of its assets very quickly.
What happens if there is a precipitous sale of the assets that currently back the Tether token? Would there be ripple effects across the rest of the economy if additional volatility creeps into the commercial paper market as a result?
Regardless as to the actual risk, concern over this specific scenario is animating much of the regulatory interest into stablecoins. One would expect restrictions to be imposed on what types of assets may be used to back stablecoins, and for explicit reporting requirements to be imposed as well.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlike Bitcoin, Eth, and other coins, Tether was always claimed to be backed by something which ensured it's stable value. Tether the company claims that their tether coins are each worth $1. There are now >$60Bn worth of Tether coin issued. With that much money they'd be a very serious private financial institution, and yet they only have 13 employee's. They have never been audited by any independent third party. Th…
>There is nothing which proves that Tether actually is backed by anything Also, there is nothing which proves that Tether actually isn't backed by anything. I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions about a topic they are self admittedly ignorant about. Perhaps wait for the DOJ to do their jobs if you don't have insider knowledge. In response to -dsr's sarcasm below (rate limit), I've got a bit of my own. "I've ru…