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Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by gruez » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:02 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #176

gruez wrote: post #105

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>I was told I was making stuff up and/or this is in 'best interest' I read the comment thread. It's unclear which comment said that you were "making stuff up". There's also zero matches for "best interest" (your direct quote). >that this only happens because these are 'uncommon applications'. Relatively speaking, winmerge and kdiff3 are quite uncommon, compared to the normal stuff that people have installed on their…

> Relatively speaking, winmerge and kdiff3 are quite uncommon, compared to the normal stuff that people have installed on their computers. I think you missed the point here. The fact that programs are uncommon isn't a legitimate excuse for Microsoft to falsely flag them as malware and then not fix it.

I'm must be missing some context here. Did OP and/or the project flag this problem to microsoft?

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by zamadatix » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:04 PM UTC

ahefner wrote: post #211

naosouumapessoa wrote: post #130

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> there really isn’t a good excuse to stay with Microsoft Except, if you run nvidia optimus laptop and have mixed display DPI. Every few months I try to run Arch on my recent laptop and it’s always a nightmare. I was hyped that 470 driver would fix wayland in nvidia (the only half decent way to fix mixed DPIs on Linux). Lo and behold, It’s still a buggy mess that made me crawl back to windows. Maybe on 570 I will be…

So don't do that, then.

"There's no reason to go to McDonald's instead of Applebee's"

"Except if you want to use the drive through"

"So don't do that then"

Avoiding it personally doesn't alleviate that there is still a reason.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by gruez » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:10 PM UTC

ethbr0 wrote: post #202

e3bc54b2 wrote: post #196

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I admit and apologize for salty tone above. It is not very constructive, and I agree, and would like to elaborate. This isn't the first time such thing has happened and it won't be last. Windows has becoming more and more painful as Operating System as in operating the machine and has been trying to operate the user instead. The incidents I mentioned about Winmerge and Kdiff3 did happen with me and I stand by that. A…

TBH, Windows shouldn't even be in the business of having any opinion on uncommon software. If they want to collect data sets for virus protection, go ahead. If they want to hash installed files from common software to detect divergences for virus protection, go ahead. But having any kind of notification that an install is uncommon? We call it a general purpose computer because we want to use it for general purposes:…

> But having any kind of notification that an install is uncommon? We call it a general purpose computer because we want to use it for general purposes: which is to say, uncommon purposes.

How much % of the windows install base do you think is running random programs that they downloaded off github, and how many are just running the top 1000 programs (eg. chrome/office/winrar)?

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by ethbr0 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

gruez wrote: post #233

ethbr0 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH, Windows shouldn't even be in the business of having any opinion on uncommon software. If they want to collect data sets for virus protection, go ahead. If they want to hash installed files from common software to detect divergences for virus protection, go ahead. But having any kind of notification that an install is uncommon? We call it a general purpose computer because we want to use it for general purposes:…

> But having any kind of notification that an install is uncommon? We call it a general purpose computer because we want to use it for general purposes: which is to say, uncommon purposes. How much % of the windows install base do you think is running random programs that they downloaded off github, and how many are just running the top 1000 programs (eg. chrome/office/winrar)?

Do we want to live in a world where someone running something different than everyone else on their computer is treated with suspicion?

This seems like a very slippery slope towards the iPhonization of the PC.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by kempbellt » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:14 PM UTC

Popegaf wrote: post #210

kempbellt wrote: post #80

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I set up a LAN box for my parents on a computer that my dad received for free. It came with Windows 10 on it, but wasn't very powerful - company's old hardware. After several...frustrating... hours of trying to talk them through things over the phone to get RDP working, just so I could install Docker to run some containers that didn't even work properly with networking, and having to call/text any time the machine th…

Have you checked https://www.protondb.com/ to see which games run well on Linux with Steam? Lutris ( https://lutris.net/ ) also provides scripts for games that aren't on steam or bought on other stores. You can also install Pop!OS which is another Linux distro for gaming (or so I've heard).

Funny you mention it. This thread actually sparked some digging and I'm currently looking into flashing Pop!OS right now.

For anyone interested:

From what I've gathered, Pop!OS has a bit more support than the officially released SteamOS Beta version, which is actually someone outdated right now. But from what I've read about the Steam Deck, Steam has a new version of their OS that the deck runs on. So maybe (hopefully) it will be released along with the deck - couldn't find any info on that though.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by zamadatix » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

kempbellt wrote: post #80

moss2 wrote: post #17

Switching my home computer to Linux has had its problems since I'm an avid gamer, but the more news I read about Windows the less I regret that decision.

I set up a LAN box for my parents on a computer that my dad received for free. It came with Windows 10 on it, but wasn't very powerful - company's old hardware. After several...frustrating... hours of trying to talk them through things over the phone to get RDP working, just so I could install Docker to run some containers that didn't even work properly with networking, and having to call/text any time the machine th…

I don't care how much of a Windows fanatic I was I'd never even try to use the GUI of the client version to configure the a box as a Docker server remotely. I don't know what to expect from that other than frustration. I'd definitely use Linux myself but if someone asked me to use Windows I'd still just enable the OpenSSH service instead of RDP and use the Server version if possible and if not at least set up the auto update schedule to the early morning like I would on the Linux box.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by teawrecks » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:19 PM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #166

kozak wrote: post #138

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People are downvoting the above comment for some reason, but what is this Windows Defender behavior if not a form of censorship?

That makes no sense. By that logic, what are firefighters doing but censoring homes? What are koalas but a form of eucalyptus censorship? What is locking your front door but a form of censoring burglars? No, just no. Censorship is preventing the transmission of ideas , nothing more, nothing less. Deleting a file has nothing to do with transmission, and it's being done in response to a perceived threat, not its commun…

You can't transmit what you don't have.

Also, fwiw "transmission" is literally the name of torrenting software. Would your argument change if that was the package being removed instead of qbittorrent?

Most people use windows, windows comes with defender on by default, what's stopping the govt/some company from getting msft to remove programs and files they don't like?

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by stinos » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

kempbellt wrote: post #80

moss2 wrote: post #17

Switching my home computer to Linux has had its problems since I'm an avid gamer, but the more news I read about Windows the less I regret that decision.

I set up a LAN box for my parents on a computer that my dad received for free. It came with Windows 10 on it, but wasn't very powerful - company's old hardware. After several...frustrating... hours of trying to talk them through things over the phone to get RDP working, just so I could install Docker to run some containers that didn't even work properly with networking, and having to call/text any time the machine th…

After several...frustrating...hours of trying to talk them through things over the phone to get RDP working

Having had similar problems (not just windows, RDP/VNC/you name it) to me this now sounds like 'wrong tool for the job'; just use e.g. Anydesk : no install, just an exe, have the remote side run it and tell you the ID and you're good (at least it didn't fail me once yet). From then on configure RDP/VNC yourself, and the router's port forwarding, etc.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by gruez » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

ethbr0 wrote: post #234

gruez wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But having any kind of notification that an install is uncommon? We call it a general purpose computer because we want to use it for general purposes: which is to say, uncommon purposes. How much % of the windows install base do you think is running random programs that they downloaded off github, and how many are just running the top 1000 programs (eg. chrome/office/winrar)?

Do we want to live in a world where someone running something different than everyone else on their computer is treated with suspicion? This seems like a very slippery slope towards the iPhonization of the PC.

> Do we want to live in a world where someone running something different than everyone else on their computer is treated with suspicion?

It depends on what you mean by "suspicion". Should users be wary and not blindly run uncommon binaries they got off the internet, on a unsandboxed system? I don't see why not. I'll even say that most developers are not exercising enough caution when downloading random packages off npm.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by fsflover » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #171

michaelt wrote: post #139

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> Why would it matter? So they could try and change my mind? Because you want upvotes, so you gotta give people things to agree with. If I just say "Linux Sucks" I'm not giving people much to agree with, except naked tribalism. But there are other things I can say that will allow members of my tribe to feel they're not voting tribally - and even some Linux enthusiasts to think I've got a point: * "Linux doesn't suppo…

> * "Linux doesn't support Photoshop / MS Excel / Altium / SolidWorks" "You don't need those things anyway, Krita / LibreOffice Calc / etc are good enough. Alternatively, don't they run in Wine?" > * "Microsoft's fanatical devotion to binary backwards-compatibility means I don't have to worry old software will break because I've got the wrong version of python installed, or my version of libreadline is too new." "Peo…

> to argue that your opinion is wrong

But this is not arguing that the opinion is wrong. It just shows that it's not a universal true for everyone and that Linux could work for other people reading this.