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Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by alpaca128 »

_fat_santa wrote: post #48
marcodiego wrote: post #5

I wonder if the MAFIAA can pressure software vendors to ban classes of software. I think agreements like: "We'll only make it legal to run our streaming service on your OS if you can prevent these specific set of software from running". I think this already happens with TV's but anyone knows if there is already pressure in this direction in the software world?

> "We'll only make it legal to run our streaming service on your OS if you can prevent these specific set of software from running" With windows I don't think this will be technically feasible. Sure I could see something like this happen on a mobile device or even MacOS but with Windows I feel like it's far too open ended for MS to do something like this without screwing their enterprise customers. And even if they d…

> With windows I don't think this will be technically feasible.

It's not only feasible but it's basically reality.

Anti-cheat systems for online games can literally ban you if they detect that you run a blacklisted program in the background or use a modified graphics driver. And you won't even know why you were banned, and lose access to all games you bought with that account.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by talentedcoin »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #26
sslayer wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ditched in the middle of Windows 7, with absolutely no regrets. Valve has made tremendous inroads in gaming with Proton, along with developers releasing for Linux, there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft.

Sure their is: Windows is a better fit for the things I do with a computer. Edit: I know right? How dare I express a preference for Windows. Downvote me to hell because I don't like using your favored OS.

Don’t let the haters drag you down. Myself I think Windows is fine (I work in finance). I use Fedora at home as my daily driver but lots of things on Windows are just as easy (or as tricky) to get running as they are anywhere else.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by bogwog »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #117
moss2 wrote: post #17

Switching my home computer to Linux has had its problems since I'm an avid gamer, but the more news I read about Windows the less I regret that decision.

I love Linux, but it's still like a glass house. One simple terminal command out of curiosity will basically force you to reinstall the OS. If you're response to that is "well you should know what you're doing before you run as sudo," all I can say is no. There is no reason why changing a DE, or installing certain software should make it nigh impossible to revert to previous changes short of being an expert or full r…

> One simple terminal command out of curiosity will basically force you to reinstall the OS.

You mean like `sudo rm -rf /`? Would an equivalent command run by an admin on Windows not cause the same types of issues?

Sure, there might be some files that can't be deleted while the system is running (like kernel32.dll or whatever it's called), but you'll certainly break a lot of things which you can only reasonably fix by reinstalling Windows.

> It gets tedious fast to the point that I just want to develop

What type of development do you do? Front end web development? C#/.NET/WPF? Something else?

Because life as a developer on unix is much much nicer than it is on Windows for most types of work. If you're not one of those people who is stuck with Visual Studio, you should invest time into learning to work on Linux, Mac, FreeBSD, etc. It'll be better for your job prospects (and sanity) in the long run.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

zabatuvajdka wrote: post #108
thunderbong wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This happened to me as well. Even when those keygens were in zipped files, Defender would flag them as malware and remove them automatically. The only solution I found to this was to keep the keygens in a password protected zipped files.

Interesting ideas here: how antivirus becomes a form of censorship. Maybe that’s an extreme view but it feels like now that Microsoft supplies it’s own defender app. And like all forms of martial law beginning as a way to protect citizens! I also noticed that with win10 when apps crash it sends the data to Microsoft—as though they can fix 3rd party apps for us. Yeesh. I think I’ll skip out on Windows 11 TYVM.

Re crash data: MS actually provides crash data to 3rd party providers who set things up correctly. So if you have a desktop app you don't need to roll your own crash collecting system if Winqual [0] is enough. Apps that roll their own (like chrome and 100s of other crashpad based apps) usually disable MS error reporting for their executables.

Also MS does ship shims for popular 3rd party apps that don't fix themselves, for better or worse...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winqual

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by e3bc54b2 »

gruez wrote: post #105
e3bc54b2 wrote: post #61

When I mentioned in another thread this happening to other open source projects (winmerge, kdiff3) [0], I was told I was making stuff up and/or this is in 'best interest' of users and that this only happens because these are 'uncommon applications'. Its going to be amusing to read replies to this thread. Pardon the snark, but this is BS and its really sad to see this shitshow being defended. [0] https://news.ycombina…

>I was told I was making stuff up and/or this is in 'best interest' I read the comment thread. It's unclear which comment said that you were "making stuff up". There's also zero matches for "best interest" (your direct quote). >that this only happens because these are 'uncommon applications'. Relatively speaking, winmerge and kdiff3 are quite uncommon, compared to the normal stuff that people have installed on their…

I admit and apologize for salty tone above. It is not very constructive, and I agree, and would like to elaborate.

This isn't the first time such thing has happened and it won't be last. Windows has becoming more and more painful as Operating System as in operating the machine and has been trying to operate the user instead.

The incidents I mentioned about Winmerge and Kdiff3 did happen with me and I stand by that. Above comment does not quote anyone but convey my understanding of the replies in general, which I now understand to be less than perfect.

But,

> unknown software -> don't know whether it's safe -> warn users it's unknown

You must be able to realise that it is not exactly presented in such manner as to be "unknown". Unknown would simply mean windows doesn't know about it and its upto user's discretion. Microsoft, by virtue of all the telemetry, happen to know that this application is uncommon. Why not say that? Why not let the user decide whether they want to run an uncommon app? What is happening here instead, however, is it gets presented as "dangerous" and blocked by default. This, along with Microsoft's position ends up being (in my humble opinion) an abuse of powerful position. And that, again, in my own humble opinion is unacceptable in being defended.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by UnFleshedOne »

hulitu wrote: post #160
0x0nyandesu wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is why the first thing I do with winblows is disable defender. So much for that.

It serms that antiviruses today have only antifeatures. The last time i saw an antivirus detect malware was more than 10 years ago. Now the only protection against viruses is common sense, a good backup and another OS to recover what's left after the disaster strikes.

The problem is that you also need backup bank accounts and probably a backup identity after disaster strikes...

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by bogwog »

malka wrote: post #154
bogwog wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which games do you play that don't work on Linux? Because I switched to it a long time ago and haven't looked back. Proton and Wine are excellent nowadays, and 99% of what I want to play works, with the rest usually just a short `protontricks ...` command away from working. The only stuff that is completely broken is Easy Anticheat and BattleEye, but those will supposedly be working when the new Steam Deck starts shi…

The last one that me reinstall windows was disco elysium

I played through that entire game through Wine on Linux last year. Idk if the Steam version works out of the box, but IIRC I didn't have to do anything special to get the GOG version to work.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by Hjfrf »

indigochill wrote: post #92
ethbr0 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd also be curious what happens if you rename them to {not-keygen}.exe I'd hope it wouldn't make a difference, but my experience with IT security thinking makes me bet the other way.

Yeah, I once circumvented gmail's antivirus detection by sending a (perfectly legitimate) installer executable as a txt file because gmail apparently just has/had a strict "no files with certain extensions" policy. And IIRC Zendesk applies the same rule to file attachments on support tickets. I had pitched for my team to build a tiny widget that would send attachments to virustotal, but it would have required a licen…

Can confirm that ServiceNow and Outlook have the same workaround.
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