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Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by josephcsible »

habibur wrote: post #64
sdoering wrote: post #32

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Wow. Any idea why?

That's fall out from the 90s. People hunted for keygen.exe for their sharewares. And some rouge sites will collect many keygens, attach backdoor program with those and then distribute from their site or over bit-torrent. Anti-virus then would scan those files. Looks like modern ones simply delete any such named file without scanning.

Non-braindead antivirus software would look for the backdoor programs rather than the keygens themselves. Though as time goes on, I become less and less convinced that there's such a thing as non-braindead antivirus software.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by colejohnson66 »

hulitu wrote: post #155
ethbr0 wrote: post #143

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Judging. And it's impossible to build certain feature without judging. A lot of people here probably don't remember what email was like in the 90s/00s, before it got bad enough that Gmail's killer feature was (what we'd now call) cloud-enabled spam filtering. The distinction between judgement and censorship is the amount of user control. (1) Does the user know it happened? (2) Can the user override the decision?

1) no 2) no. So it seems a good idea to disable defender.

Not true. Defender alerts you when it quarantines a virus or whatever. And if you know what buttons to push, you can tell it to remove it from quarantine. You can also tell it to ignore folders if you so desire.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by Sebb767 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #143
kozak wrote: post #138

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People are downvoting the above comment for some reason, but what is this Windows Defender behavior if not a form of censorship?

Judging. And it's impossible to build certain feature without judging. A lot of people here probably don't remember what email was like in the 90s/00s, before it got bad enough that Gmail's killer feature was (what we'd now call) cloud-enabled spam filtering. The distinction between judgement and censorship is the amount of user control. (1) Does the user know it happened? (2) Can the user override the decision?

Given that Defender (apparently) directly deletes the files in question without asking, it seems you agree with the grandparent that it is, in fact, censorship.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by bogwog »

l30n4da5 wrote: post #50
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #26

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Sure their is: Windows is a better fit for the things I do with a computer. Edit: I know right? How dare I express a preference for Windows. Downvote me to hell because I don't like using your favored OS.

for the most part, HN is pretty squarely in the 'windows bad linux good' camp. It is dumb af since according to a lot of the users on here, linux is gods gift to humanity. doesn't matter that pretty much all software is a dumpster fire, and linux is just another, less hot dumpster fire compared to windows.

> doesn't matter that pretty much all software is a dumpster fire, and linux is just another, less hot dumpster fire compared to windows.

Yeah, but the difference is that Linux is MY dumpster fire, not Microsoft's!

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by colejohnson66 »

adriancr wrote: post #55
kozak wrote: post #28

I recently unpacked an old archive from the time I was making some shareware few decades ago. Windows Defender instantly ate all keygen.exe files from it. Those keygens were my own keygens for my own software (I wrote them myself and used them to generate keys for my customers back in the day).

check if there's any trojan appended to them... or if you've used UPX to package them then they will automatically get flagged.

What’s the deal with UPX compressed executables being “dangerous”? Is there self modifying code or something?

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by crazygringo »

kozak wrote: post #138
zabatuvajdka wrote: post #108

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Interesting ideas here: how antivirus becomes a form of censorship. Maybe that’s an extreme view but it feels like now that Microsoft supplies it’s own defender app. And like all forms of martial law beginning as a way to protect citizens! I also noticed that with win10 when apps crash it sends the data to Microsoft—as though they can fix 3rd party apps for us. Yeesh. I think I’ll skip out on Windows 11 TYVM.

People are downvoting the above comment for some reason, but what is this Windows Defender behavior if not a form of censorship?

That makes no sense.

By that logic, what are firefighters doing but censoring homes? What are koalas but a form of eucalyptus censorship? What is locking your front door but a form of censoring burglars?

No, just no. Censorship is preventing the transmission of ideas, nothing more, nothing less.

Deleting a file has nothing to do with transmission, and it's being done in response to a perceived threat, not its communicative meaning. (Like how you lock your house to protect from burglars.)

It's important not to abuse the term "censorship" -- if it means everything then it ceases to mean anything at all.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by josephcsible »

13of40 wrote: post #133
ethbr0 wrote: post #97

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Also, AFAIK by spec, the manifest of a zip file is unencrypted, even if the zip "is". Most scanners are too brain dead to care, but I have come across a few that still quarantine if the manifest lists a file with a blacklisted extension. Easy solution? Compress to zip, then compress that zip to another zip, with a password. (Yes, I've spent far too long trying to get work done underneath insane corporate security pol…

Gmail will block you from sending a a password-protected ZIP with anything potentially bad in it, like an EXE, because they can see the individual file headers and central directory, like you say. Unfortunately, if you have a ZIP inside a passworded ZIP it also gets considered dangerous and blocked.

Here's a workaround: rename the .exe file to a .txt file, then put that in a password-protected zip file. Now braindead security scanners have no choice but to believe that it really is a text file.

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by hulitu »

gruez wrote: post #56
finalis wrote: post #40

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I used to think that too before I made the switch to macOS. Yes it was a learning curve initially, but it wasn't unmanageable, and you start to uncover Windows annoyances that you never knew existed because you were used to them and conditioned into thinking they were normal for so long. You'd be surprised how flexible your needs are when you aren't pigeonholing yourself.

>and you start to uncover Windows annoyances that you never knew existed because you were used to them and conditioned into thinking they were normal for so long ..which promptly get replaced with mac annoyances. Random ones off the top of my head: * closing a window (using the red x icon) doesn't close the app * overwriting a folder deletes existing contents, rather than merging them * weird scroll acceleration that…

> * closing a window (using the red x icon) doesn't close the app

There are applications with more than one window.

> * weird scroll acceleration that makes clicky scroll wheels unusable This is called "progress" or UI/UX or whatever name they have today for brain damage . Some years ago the Apple GUI was looking good. Then the replaced the window buttons with coloured circles. Guess which one is which ?

Re: Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent

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Post by ethbr0 »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #162
hulitu wrote: post #155

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1) no 2) no. So it seems a good idea to disable defender.

Not true. Defender alerts you when it quarantines a virus or whatever. And if you know what buttons to push, you can tell it to remove it from quarantine. You can also tell it to ignore folders if you so desire.

Not in this instance. Program was automatically uninstalled.

I didn't have time to poke through it, but options appear limited to whitelisting the app going forward, and then reinstalling yourself.

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