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Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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What if Tether the company just throws in the towel? Take the reserves and run? What incentive do they have not too?

If we're being totally honest, the incentive not to do so is probably death. Who knows who is "invested" with them, doubtful it's people who like investments with accurate record-keeping.

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And yet people are so bought into crypto hype they look the other way. These dudes have been running this scam in plain sight for years now. It always amazes me that the whole house of cards continues to stand and hasn’t completely blown up.

We don't truly know the severity of it yet, but we do know that money has been moving over to other stablecoins such as USDC over the past year or so and so risk is slowly decreasing. There is a huge amount of innovation in the space and i think to gloss over it as a 'house of cards' is a bit naive - there is no denying it is a volatile market, but it is here to stay, so best to embrace it and see if there are actual…

Yes, money started moving over to USDC at exactly the same time they reduced transparency over their reserves and stopped being fully dollar backed.

The risk is still right there.

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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Unlike Bitcoin, Eth, and other coins, Tether was always claimed to be backed by something which ensured it's stable value. Tether the company claims that their tether coins are each worth $1. There are now >$60Bn worth of Tether coin issued. With that much money they'd be a very serious private financial institution, and yet they only have 13 employee's. They have never been audited by any independent third party. Th…

>There is nothing which proves that Tether actually is backed by anything Also, there is nothing which proves that Tether actually isn't backed by anything. I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions about a topic they are self admittedly ignorant about. Perhaps wait for the DOJ to do their jobs if you don't have insider knowledge. In response to -dsr's sarcasm below (rate limit), I've got a bit of my own. "I've ru…

The NYAG showed that Tether was not fully backed.

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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This thread speculates that Tether’s commercial paper may be in Chinese real estate, which is currently suffering huge losses… https://twitter.com/TheLastBearSta1/status/14183024655571107...

Or more likely tether isn’t backed by anything at all. The auditor they hired quit before completing their audit. Seems legit to me. These dudes are a complete scam but as long as BTC goes to the moon nobody seems to care.

lol

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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> In February, Bitfinex and several Tether affiliates agreed to pay $18.5 million to settle claims from New York Attorney General Letitia James that the firms hid losses and lied that each token was supported by one U.S. dollar. Can anyone explain this because I'm not familiar with the legal framework here - they paid to settle with NYAG? So you pay and then having potentially broken a law isn't a problem anymore? Ho…

The reason this happens is that the bar for proving criminal intent on the part of a corporation- which would lead to jail for executives and could lead to dissolution of the corp- is very very high. Getting the evidence related to "mindset" and linking it to action and doing so in a way that sufficiently resists various defense strategies is almost impossible, and extremely expensive and time consuming to litigate.…

So what I’m hearing is, governments world prefer criminal enterprises stay in business so long as they get a cut of profits via settlements

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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Some smart crypto people are saying that if Tether goes down it will take a whole load of other crypto down with it.

It certainly would, as currently USDT is used as collateral throughout the system, but I don't think Tether would just 'go down'. Regulators aren't stupid and the worst case imo is that there is a time period where people are told to redeem tether to USD or other stablecoins such as USDC/DAI. The space has been through worse things and always recovered, I do hope Tether is properly investigated so that we can have co…

> "where people are told to redeem tether to USD"

If Tether has no actual cash in its kitty and its price on open exchanges plummets to zero, how exactly are "people" going to redeem it for USD? Tether is entirely unregulated, there's no FDIC insurance or equivalent backing it.

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It certainly would, as currently USDT is used as collateral throughout the system, but I don't think Tether would just 'go down'. Regulators aren't stupid and the worst case imo is that there is a time period where people are told to redeem tether to USD or other stablecoins such as USDC/DAI. The space has been through worse things and always recovered, I do hope Tether is properly investigated so that we can have co…

Where would these real USD come from if USDT is worthless? Why would a holder of USDC or DAI accept USDT in return if USDT is worthless?

Yeah, if you move fictional dollars in the form of USDT to USDC then you are just shifting the imaginary amount around, it doesn't change the fact $61B is rendered worthless.

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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Unlike Bitcoin, Eth, and other coins, Tether was always claimed to be backed by something which ensured it's stable value. Tether the company claims that their tether coins are each worth $1. There are now >$60Bn worth of Tether coin issued. With that much money they'd be a very serious private financial institution, and yet they only have 13 employee's. They have never been audited by any independent third party. Th…

>There is nothing which proves that Tether actually is backed by anything Also, there is nothing which proves that Tether actually isn't backed by anything. I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions about a topic they are self admittedly ignorant about. Perhaps wait for the DOJ to do their jobs if you don't have insider knowledge. In response to -dsr's sarcasm below (rate limit), I've got a bit of my own. "I've ru…

As you undoubtedly remember, the universe popped into existence, complete with faked history of all space-time events, seventeen minutes ago.

There's no evidence against it.

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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post #53

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>There is nothing which proves that Tether actually is backed by anything Also, there is nothing which proves that Tether actually isn't backed by anything. I see a lot of people jumping to conclusions about a topic they are self admittedly ignorant about. Perhaps wait for the DOJ to do their jobs if you don't have insider knowledge. In response to -dsr's sarcasm below (rate limit), I've got a bit of my own. "I've ru…

The NYAG showed that Tether was not fully backed.

>The NYAG showed that Tether was not fully backed.

In 2017, when they were busy securing other banking partners due to accounts being shutdown.

I consider this a gap due to growing pains, as did the NYAG. How would you shutdown Tether temporarily (2-3 months) if a bank ends a relationship?

Re: Tether executives said to face criminal probe into bank fraud

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Edit: Isn't it a huge red flag that Tether doesn't make any money off transaction fees? Their daily volume is almost 2x that of BTC. They could fully support the company with a tiny transaction fee and avoid all the regulatory uncertainty/FUD. How does tether make money (aside from potential fraud)? Is there a transaction fee that supports the people and cost of running tether (the company)?

They invest the funds backing the Tether in dubious investments (mostly short term loans to unknown companies, but some precious metals, bonds, funds, and even some crypto (all according to them, but completely unaudited)

The obvious source of commercial paper is that they sell Tethers at a steep discount to an exchange they're buddy-buddy with, and the exchange gives them an IOU in return. Hey presto, "commercial paper" backing the Tethers.
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