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Disinformation for hire, a shadow industry, is quietly booming

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Re: Disinformation for hire, a shadow industry, is quietly booming

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, Are there earlier examples of negligence, prior to the episode of "weapons of mass destruction"? When did the decline really start?

cf Noam Chomsky: Manufacturing Consent ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent_(film) )

Does he cite specific examples? I dont reject the thesis but im curious about the evidence.

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Ehh, I don't like current state of the Internet In last months I've started wondering why do I even pay my internet bills 60% of the reason I still do it is that I need internet for my job the rest is HN, two or three subreddits, music and some video games, wiki/google/maps and the fact that I still need to learn a lot in order to advance in career. It's insanely hard to avoid that main stream media content (celebrit…

Internet is just a big IP network. I use it to talk to certain servers like email, my vps, or my personal home server. The other servers I talk to I dont own so I spend as little time sending them requests as possible. If you stop sending strange servers requests for unwanted data you'll feel much better :-)

What you’re saying absolutely makes sense. The difficult part is that it requires intentional habit changes and quite honestly, a grieving process at the same time.

As someone who grew up while the Internet was just getting off the ground (mid 30s), I remember the absolute joy of exploring the net, and for the most part, it could feed me as much interesting content as I could stand. I felt this reverence for it, like I did for great libraries.

It’s not really possible to use the Internet that way any more, and that sucks. Yes, it’s still a gigantic library, but the ability to explore unbounded is no more, at least if you want to avoid the problematic parts.

And this is where the grieving part comes in. Your advice to use the net more carefully/intentionally is good, but is also a stark contrast to the way things were. It makes me sad.

Re: Disinformation for hire, a shadow industry, is quietly booming

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Ironic that this is from the New York Times, which has (in)famously had several years of poor or biased reporting.

The NYT reporting seems pretty reliable to me. Could you give a few notable examples at least to support that claim?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-new-york-times-wmd-cov...

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I have a hard time to take seriously any disinformation talk from the political and media establishment after the lab leak theory twist, where it had been shameful disinformation, until it suddenly wasn't. I have to be doubting publications even from reputable sources, after "The Lancet" fiasco, where the organizer of the open letter that condemned the lab leak theory was discovered to have ties with the lab in question, and some signatories confessed they'd signed it only because Trump had been promoting the theory. I can't help feeling that the recent war on "disinformation" is not waged in good faith. And since I have not so much trust in the alternative media either, I feel as a reasonable person I am easentially left in the dark.

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This is so messed up. If you’re reading this and are in this ‘business’, or associated with it/supporting it, please, for the sake of yourself, your families, humanity and the planet we live on, get out if you have any choice! It’s been bad enough with state actors, lobbyists etc etc. for years anyhow - don’t make it worse for the sake of a quick buck!

I don’t know how to break this to you… but you’re about 80 years late.

What was accepted as the norm earlier and even now, needn't necessarily continue. We could actually beseech people to cease contributing to overall harm. We've seen this in so many social improvements over the past decades.

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Instead of constantly hand-wringing about "disinformation" from the shadows, they should be desperately addressing their own plummeting credibility: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gallup-american-trus...

People would be less susceptible to disinformation if they could actually trust mainstream sources like the NYT.

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Ironic that this is from the New York Times, which has (in)famously had several years of poor or biased reporting.

Curious, Are there earlier examples of negligence, prior to the episode of "weapons of mass destruction"? When did the decline really start?

I recently watched “How to Become a Tyrant” and they mentioned a NYT reporter in the 30s, the Moscow bureau chief IIRC, who was more or less bribed by Stalin* to write articles denying people were starving in Ukraine. He even won a pulitzer for the “reporting”. I don’t know that it was the start of “the decline” of the New York Times (and full disclosure: I subscribe) but the WMDs weren’t the first egregiously wrong reporting.

Searching for anything relating to NYT and Ukraine obviously gives a lot of more recent results but I found this Huffington Post article[1] that I think has enough background to point you in the right direction if you’re curious to learn more. And I think this[2] is the journalist’s wikipedia article.

Edit: It was Stalin he had a very friendly relationship with, not Lenin.

[1]https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a15c588e4b0f401dfa7ecce

[2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

Re: Disinformation for hire, a shadow industry, is quietly booming

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This is so messed up. If you’re reading this and are in this ‘business’, or associated with it/supporting it, please, for the sake of yourself, your families, humanity and the planet we live on, get out if you have any choice! It’s been bad enough with state actors, lobbyists etc etc. for years anyhow - don’t make it worse for the sake of a quick buck!

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